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Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%

  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%

  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Total voters
    58
Cassity14 said:
The narrative that Morey handled this badly has been loudest from ex players specifically. Of course they are going to say that lol. The other group I suspect is agents pushing through as the "sources" for some of the media who have echoed the sentiment.

I'm with you - this is exactly what some fans (me included) have been wanting to see for years. Good for him to stand up to Simmons' bully ball.
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I am enjoying it too. I cannot imagine any franchise talking on simmons at this time.....but I am sure someone will. Better not be the cavs
 
I was looking thru some midseason awards picks and why the hell is Love not in the 6thman race? I keep seeing Herro, Caruso, Trez (?), and LMA (????) mentioned. The three best bench players this year are very clear: Caruso, GPII, and Love. Kevin Love is literally putting up all NBA per poss numbers in 20 mpg and his metrics are fucking amazing this year. Herro above him is a fucking travesty. You could talk me into Caruso over him, but wtf Trez and LMA. LMA is a poor man's Kevin Love. I am actually going to be pretty fucking mad if he doesn't get 6MOY because more people want to suck off some shitter from Miami. Justice for Strus
 
I'm fully aware ESPN's PER stat is veiled in it's formula and proprietary. It not the best judge of a player.

However, I was surprised that K Love is sitting comfortably at #14.

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I don't believe he is a top 15 player in the NBA, but it's worth taking a moment to appreciate how valuable he has been so far this year. Incidently, this measurement absolutely loves Glove Junior.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I'm fully aware ESPN's PER stat is veiled in it's formula and proprietary. It not the best judge of a player.

However, I was surprised that K Love is sitting comfortably at #14.

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I don't believe he is a top 15 player in the NBA, but it's worth taking a moment to appreciate how valuable he has been so far this year. Incidently, this measurement absolutely loves Glove Junior.
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Also, ESPN ranks Jarrett Allen the #6 center just ahead of Isaiah Hartenstein.
 
DCTribefan said:
Also, ESPN ranks Jarrett Allen the #6 center just ahead of Isaiah Hartenstein.
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Hartenstein that high is a great example of why PER gets a bad reputation. The backup center putting in 16 minutes a game shouldn't be so high. To his credit, he goes out there and fouls everyone hard for 16 minutes a game, and he is good in that chaotic role.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Hartenstein that high is a great example of why PER gets a bad reputation. The backup center putting in 16 minutes a game shouldn't be so high. To his credit, he goes out there and fouls everyone hard for 16 minutes a game, and he is good in that chaotic role.
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If fairness, he has averaged fewer than 6 fouls per 36 both this season and last.
 
Love has had a huge comeback year. Also shows L.Ball clearly over Garland. Fixing it for minutes played shows Allen's rise to stardom.
 
PER does have its flaws. It tends to way overfavor offensive production and rebounding. Not a bad metric for a nonstatistician to cook up but it does have some value, especially since it is one of the more well known ones
 
Benway said:
Just behind JaVale McGee.

In fact, 8 of the top 12 in PER are centers. There's only 1 guard in the top 16.
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PER has always had an emphasis on regaining possession. And not necessarily what the player is capable of creating once that possession is obtained. Along with blocks. Not all blocks are equal in reality: Did the shooter get it back and still score the lay-up? Was it swatted out and the opponent has chance to run a dead ball set? OR Was it tipped over to a teammate spuring a fast break chance like Mobley excells at?

Bigs typically rank extremely high in the equation as they are typically often set up by others to be finishers around the rim, so their shooting percentages grade out very high. Anymore there's very few efficient post up players, those that are are All Stars.

It remains a decent metric to reference as one resource in addition to watching the games.
 
Beanie4Heisman said:
PER has always had an emphasis on regaining possession. And not necessarily what the player is capable of creating once that possession is obtained. Along with blocks. Not all blocks are equal in reality: Did the shooter get it back and still score the lay-up? Was it swatted out and the opponent has chance to run a dead ball set? OR Was it tipped over to a teammate spuring a fast break chance like Mobley excells at?

Bigs typically rank extremely high in the equation as they are typically often set up by others to be finishers around the rim, so their shooting percentages grade out very high. Anymore there's very few efficient post up players, those that are are All Stars.

It remains a decent metric to reference as one resource in addition to watching the games.
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Centers are always higher PER.. but I think the stat us useful in terms of measure progression.. if a guy goes from 7 to 10 to 14, in successive years he is likely to be playable.. ( not talking centers).. if a guard hits 20, he is pretty special.. like Kyrie, or Dame special.. I also like the PER rating in 82 games, as it applies to which position a player is best at.. I look at net per for each position, and filter low minutes.. there are a lot of players that wind up filling in out of position, and it can negatively affect the numbers.

Edit.. Markk is a good example. His per differential as a SF is way better than at PF.. Even though he is offensively better at PF.. he has our second best opposing PER, behind Osman..
 
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avs2000 said:
I am enjoying it too. I cannot imagine any franchise talking on simmons at this time.....but I am sure someone will. Better not be the cavs
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Given that we lost both Sexton and Rubio, and still didn't make a move for Simmons, it would seem rather odd if we did at this point. If we'd have really wanted him, we likely would have made that move already.

The only caveat to that is if we really did want him, thought the price was way too high, and that price drops a lot at the deadline. But otherwise, it seems like the moment for the Cavs came and went without us doing anything.
 
Or the centerpiece for a potential Simmons trade had a season ending injury, just a thought.
 
Beanie4Heisman said:
Or the centerpiece for a potential Simmons trade had a season ending injury, just a thought.
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Then we no longer have a potential centerpiece, and therefore can't do the trade even if we wanted to. Ends up in the same place - if there ever was a moment for the Cavs to trade for Simmons, it has passed.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Given that we lost both Sexton and Rubio, and still didn't make a move for Simmons, it would seem rather odd if we did at this point. If we'd have really wanted him, we likely would have made that move already.

The only caveat to that is if we really did want him, thought the price was way too high, and that price drops a lot at the deadline. But otherwise, it seems like the moment for the Cavs came and went without us doing anything.
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It's only odd if you are under the mistaken belief that the Cavs management team is obsessed with the short term in the same way many misguided fans are.
 
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