Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[The Human Q-Tip]

It's only odd if you are under the mistaken belief that the Cavs management team is obsessed with the short term in the same way many misguided fans are.

A trade for Simmons has always been about the long term -- all the injuries did is add an additional short term need on top of that. They may even have strengthened the long-term need argument to the extent we considered Rubio potentially a long-term answer as the b/u PG. But instead of making a move for Simmons then, when both our long-term and short-term needs were at their highest, we signed someone else.

If Simmons really was a smart long-term acquisition, why didn't we acquire him already instead of making other moves for a PG?

 

[Peacedog]

A trade for Simmons has always been about the long term -- all the injuries did is add an additional short term need on top of that. They may even have strengthened the long-term need argument to the extent we considered Rubio potentially a long-term answer as the b/u PG. But instead of making a move for Simmons then, when both our long-term and short-term needs were at their highest, we signed someone else.

If Simmons really was a smart long-term acquisition, why didn't we acquire him already instead of making other moves for a PG?

Getting Simmons at this point would be a HORRIBLE long term decision. And no chance Philly accepts anything less than Mobley or Garland for him. So you are good with swapping Garland for Simmons? How does this improve the team long term?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Getting Simmons at this point would be a HORRIBLE long term decision. And no chance Philly accepts anything less than Mobley or Garland for him. So you are good with swapping Garland for Simmons? How does this improve the team long term?

No. I don't want Simmons and never did, and agree it would be a horrible long-term decision.

My point is that Koby didn't make a move for Simmons either despite everything that has happened, even though it would have been the perfect time to do so. So in terms of reading the tea leaves on whether or not we're going to make a move for him later, I (very thankfully) believe we won't.

 

[CleveRocks]

No. I don't want Simmons and never did, and agree it would be a horrible long-term decision.

My point is that Koby didn't make a move for Simmons either despite everything that has happened, even though it would have been the perfect time to do so. So in terms of reading the tea leaves on whether or not we're going to make a move for him later, I (very thankfully) believe we won't.

Simmons , korkmaz. For Rubio, Markk and FRP.. you do Kork with Rubios DPE, then the other trade..

We replace Markk with 6"11 Simmons, who is clearly a better defender, and add Korkaz who's also a good passer And has some range, and is still a good defender at the three.. pushes Okoro to the bench a little, bit you still bring him out when you need a stop.. Philly does not lose any of its actual starters and adds matchup nightmare on a reasonable contract, more assets to improve, and good riddance to Simmons..

Two new starting wings! @Sebastian.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Simmons , korkmaz. For Rubio, Markk and FRP.. you do Kork with Rubios DPE, then the other trade..

We replace Markk with 6"11 Simmons, who is clearly a better defender, and add Korkaz who's also a good passer And has some range, and is still a good defender at the three.. pushes Okoro to the bench a little, bit you still bring him out when you need a stop.. Philly does not lose any of its actual starters and adds matchup nightmare on a reasonable contract, more assets to improve, and good riddance to Simmons..

Two new starting wings! @Sebastian.

Simmons isn't a wing. But who is the "matchup nightmare" the Sixers are getting in that deal?

 

[Heat Check]

Simmons , korkmaz. For Rubio, Markk and FRP.. you do Kork with Rubios DPE, then the other trade..

We replace Markk with 6"11 Simmons, who is clearly a better defender, and add Korkaz who's also a good passer And has some range, and is still a good defender at the three.. pushes Okoro to the bench a little, bit you still bring him out when you need a stop.. Philly does not lose any of its actual starters and adds matchup nightmare on a reasonable contract, more assets to improve, and good riddance to Simmons..

Two new starting wings! @Sebastian.

Nah, Lauri definitely won't be traded this season. He's a starter who just got here, and most importantly, WANTED to be here. You can imagine how jettisoning a guy like that would look to future free agents considering Cleveland as a destination.

Horrible optics. Sure... for some guys in the NBA, you can justify taking a PR hit like that. Ben Simmons is not one of them.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Just behind JaVale McGee.

In fact, 8 of the top 12 in PER are centers. There's only 1 guard in the top 16.

This why I hate analytics! Numbers don’t always tell the story of a players true value!
Put Allen, McGee and Hardenstein out there right now and say to anybody “Take your pick! Who do you want?”
How many would pass on Allen for the other two?

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Can't quite tell if you're sarcastic, but im thinking you are.

The only struggles I wouldn't be able to deal with are his pouting/tantrums like he had last year. Adjusting rotations/playing time can cover playing struggles, but his experience and skill set can still be helpful for developing Evan, JA and Lauri. Plus, it's not like the Cavaliers are struggling financially and *need* to unload him.

And I agree with another poster that when his contract ended if Love was willing to come back to the Cavs on a “cap friendly” contract accepting his current role I would take him back in a heartbeat!

 

[avs2000]

And I agree with another poster that when his contract ended if Love was willing to come back to the Cavs on a “cap friendly” contract accepting his current role I would take him back in a heartbeat!

I would as well, but I cannot see him being that Healthy 2 years from now to still be playing

 

[CleveRocks]

Simmons isn't a wing. But who is the "matchup nightmare" the Sixers are getting in that deal?

Laurie.. who actually has been that for us.. as a SF, while he looks awkward, he is very much net positive, mostly defensively.

It only works if there are other bigs in the room that are drawing double teams, but Philly has that covered..

Simmons is a Wing.. defensively.. you could play him with Garland and Korkmaz, an offensively play point. , then cover a wing on defense with more agility than Laurie.. I think net we would be better. A lot better defensively, and a little offensively. Playing him with Okoro is a little harder, until/ unless Ice finds his stroke.. then it would really make it difficult even for elite teams to find a bucket..

All of which is just throwing shit against a wall. Morey would want Mobley , Garland and two firsts.. plus you are trading with the east and would have face that team in the early rounds.. better to trade with Dallas, SA or even NO..

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Laurie.. who actually has been that for us.. as a SF, while he looks awkward, he is very much net positive, mostly defensively.

While I don't believe Lauri has been "bad", calling him a "matchup nightmare" is wildly overstating his value. As the centerpiece of a trade, his value is likely quite small.

 

[Heat Check]

While I don't believe Lauri has been "bad", calling him a "matchup nightmare" is wildly overstating his value. As the centerpiece of a trade, his value is likely quite small.

Yeah… to be a matchup nightmare, you need to be able to feast on mismatches. Lauri… well… let's just say he can't do that

 

[buzzdog]

LOL at anyone who wants to trade one of the few guys who can knock down a 3, create his own shot around the paint, and who passes and rebounds at a high level. The blind spots some of the wannabe GMs have are a mile wide.

 

[CleveRocks]

While I don't believe Lauri has been "bad", calling him a "matchup nightmare" is wildly overstating his value. As the centerpiece of a trade, his value is likely quite small.

Idk.. it depends on how you look at the stats.. I like 82 games.. look at his numbers defensive / offensive when he is playing SF..

Yeah he is awkward relative to James and Giannis. But he still 7' and pretty agile. If you are Norman Powell, he is a giant PIA.. it would not dent Durants game, but but it it's not trivial either. Philly does need him to start, but they could afford to put him in there to be disruptive.. His impact on winning would be higher than Simmons.. And Philly doesn't need a big push. At least we know Laurie will shoot!

Also, will never happen soo...

 

[shoes22]

He played well yesterday! Finally knocking down threes