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Darius Kinnard Garland

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What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 21 12.5%

  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 23 13.7%

  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 18.5%

  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 39 23.2%

  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.1%

  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 11.9%

  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 10 6.0%

  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.0%

  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 7.7%
  • Total voters
    168
Morant
Team
On 115.1
Off 110.8
Total +4.3

Opponent
On 112.4
Off 105.9
Total +6.5

Kyrie
Team
On 121.0
Off 116.3
Total +4.7

Opponent
On 115.5
Off 112.1
Total +3.4

Garland
team
On 113.8
Off 106.8
Total +7.0

Opponent
On 104.7
Off 109.1
Total -4.4

Total differential

Morant
-2.1

Irving
+1.3

Garland
+11.4

I pulled Kyrie stats from last year because he only played 4 games this year.
 
MrX said:
Morant
Team
On 115.1
Off 110.8
Total +4.3

Opponent
On 112.4
Off 105.9
Total +6.5

Kyrie
Team
On 121.0
Off 116.3
Total +4.7

Opponent
On 115.5
Off 112.1
Total +3.4

Garland
team
On 113.8
Off 106.8
Total +7.0

Opponent
On 104.7
Off 109.1
Total -4.4

Total differential

Morant
-2.1

Irving
+1.3

Garland
+11.4

I pulled Kyrie stats from last year because he only played 4 games this year.
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Cool comp but those Morant numbers are super noisy due to that insane streak the grizz had
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Irving is a hell of a scorer but if you think he’s ever been the engine to a team winning games the way Garland has been this year you’re lying to yourself. Irving doesn’t make other players better and aside from a couple games (albeit very important games in the finals) Garland is a better defender. He’s a better passer. He’s a better teammate. He’s a lesser isolation scorer.

I’ll take Garland, and I’m not sorry about it. Irving never ever had the work ethic or the inner fire to get better. Irving wasn’t much different tonight that he was in his rookie year. He had the natural physical and game speed and experience improvements but I honestly never felt like Kyrie took a leap the way Garland has taken a leap this year.

Since Kyrie left LeBron he hasn’t really been a winner and even now back as a third fiddle (part time) he’s not a winner. He doesn’t raise a damn thing. That Nets team will go as Durant goes. There are games where they’ll be better off with Patty Mills.

But Garland is an offensive engine. He is having the offensive impact to his specific team in a Nash/Curry manner. Eventually he may legitimately be on that level. For a year 3 player he’s been an absolutely fucking stud.

Mobley and Garland are both untouchable for me. Allen isn’t untouchable but I don’t see a realistic deal ever materializing with him as a centerpiece because hes a Center.

But yeah, I wouldn’t trade Garland for anyone that would realistically be traded at this point. I think he’s on his way to being a top 10/15 player.
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luka is actually following kyrie's development arc. was very good out of the gate, but cannot figure out to make themselves better after that.

i appreciate kyrie hitting that shot, but post-cavs, he is just went mental and focusing on things he shouldn't (conspiracy theories).
 
Lots of amazing plays tonight. Another big assist game.

Kyrie worked so hard at one point and somehow got it in. Garland came down and just dotted the I. He made it look simple.

Microcosm of the game. Garland was in control
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Irving is a hell of a scorer but if you think he’s ever been the engine to a team winning games the way Garland has been this year you’re lying to yourself. Irving doesn’t make other players better and aside from a couple games (albeit very important games in the finals) Garland is a better defender. He’s a better passer. He’s a better teammate. He’s a lesser isolation scorer.

I’ll take Garland, and I’m not sorry about it. Irving never ever had the work ethic or the inner fire to get better. Irving wasn’t much different tonight that he was in his rookie year. He had the natural physical and game speed and experience improvements but I honestly never felt like Kyrie took a leap the way Garland has taken a leap this year.

Since Kyrie left LeBron he hasn’t really been a winner and even now back as a third fiddle (part time) he’s not a winner. He doesn’t raise a damn thing. That Nets team will go as Durant goes. There are games where they’ll be better off with Patty Mills.

But Garland is an offensive engine. He is having the offensive impact to his specific team in a Nash/Curry manner. Eventually he may legitimately be on that level. For a year 3 player he’s been an absolutely fucking stud.

Mobley and Garland are both untouchable for me. Allen isn’t untouchable but I don’t see a realistic deal ever materializing with him as a centerpiece because hes a Center.

But yeah, I wouldn’t trade Garland for anyone that would realistically be traded at this point. I think he’s on his way to being a top 10/15 player.
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Kyrie has extreme physical and shooting talent. He is the best handles probably ever, yet he just isnt a winner by himself. He is one of the most frustrating players ever to root for. You see the talent, but he is such a selfish player, doesnt know how to run an offense, but he can be the offense.

Darius is everything Kyrie is not. Sefless, runs an offense, tries on defense, ect. Garland is just easy to root for, plus he believes the Earth is a Sphere.
 
I've always thought Kyrie doesn't really love the game per se. He more loves the ability to beat any defender. He sees his game as an artform of isolation offense. Really impressed with how sharp he is considering how long he sat. Shows he put the time in to stay ready
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Funny how those Celtics teams on which Kyrie played all seemed to do as well or better when he didn't play as compared to when he did. And that's because his isolation style of play actually subtracts from the ability of other players to contribute.

That weakness mattered much less with LeBron because LeBron himself already forced the Cavs to be an isolation heavy team. So, the Cavs weren't running a regular offense a lot of the time anyway.

He's an incredibly entertaining, very skilled basketball player. But his chosen style of play does not contribute nearly as much to overall team success as his individual abilities would suggest.
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Kyrie is supremely talented and skilled at an absolutely elite level.

Problem is, he’s a “your turn, my turn” player. That doesn’t work unless you have other superstars to take turns. Bigger problem is, he chose to leave the best player on the planet, who just happened to fit the best with him as well.

LeBron and Kyrie only having two healthy playoff runs together is criminal. They could have been the best duo of all time.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
Irving is a hell of a scorer but if you think he’s ever been the engine to a team winning games the way Garland has been this year you’re lying to yourself.
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Correct, which is why he is unquestionably a better floor raiser. But you and everybody else who once salivated over Kyrie when he was a Cav are absolutely lying to yourselves if you're positing that current Garland can do what Kyrie did in the '16 Finals. That's where the "ceiling raiser" argument begins and ends.
 
Derek said:
Kyrie is supremely talented and skilled at an absolutely elite level.

Problem is, he’s a “your turn, my turn” player. That doesn’t work unless you have other superstars to take turns. Bigger problem is, he chose to leave the best player on the planet, who just happened to fit the best with him as well.

LeBron and Kyrie only having two healthy playoff runs together is criminal. They could have been the best duo of all time.
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The problem with Kyrie when he was in Cleveland was his defense, and there were lots of complaints about that. He obviously was capable of having games with ridiculous offensive output, but in the games where his offense was more ordinary -- and he did have those -- he really hurt you on the defensive end. Games 1-2 in 2016 against GSW, his offense was off, and his defense simply killed us. He's the biggest reason why we were down 2-0.
 
JMoneyYourHoney said:
Correct, which is why he is unquestionably a better floor raiser. But you and everybody else who once salivated over Kyrie when he was a Cav are absolutely lying to yourselves if you're positing that current Garland can do what Kyrie did in the '16 Finals. That's where the "ceiling raiser" argument begins and ends.
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So what? Garland could have helped us win that series in a totally different way. Youre making a really weird, specific, and meaningless argument. A third year floor general couldn’t replicate the peak scoring moment of a 5th or 6th year scoring guards career? So fucking what? Irving could NEVER lead a team the way Garland is now.
 
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