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That is an easily solved problem. Just play Tobi at SG
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2022 Off-season Thread - The Future is Bright
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I would not trade LeVert for Harden straight up. Harden is a cancer and I want nothing to do with him.
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I wonder what the Nets would want for Seth Curry. He didn't really seem to gel with that team and they weren't good enough overall defensively to keep him on the floor. Also, they already have J. Harris. He's probably not a starter but he's an assassin from 3, good turn into a key rotation piece for the Cavs, and is on a very reasonable contract.
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They should give us picks for taking Tobi for Love. This is a dumb deal lmao
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Just listened to Fedor's hour-long podcast. FWIW, here are the takeaways.
1. The Cavs can be a formidable team next year just by standing pat and adding Sexton. They won 44 games last year despite having some of the worst injury luck Fedor has seen. They could have won 50+ games with average injury luck.
2. There's reason to believe Mobley, LeVert, and Okoro will be better next year, plus they add Sexton. They also have the 14th pick.
3. The five-man unit that management really wanted to see was Garland, LeVert, Markkanen, Mobley, and Allen. Due to various injuries they never saw that unit until the Atlanta play-in game. In 24 minutes that unit had a rating of +17 points per 100 possessions. Fedor described that unit as "awesome".
(And that was the first time they were on the floor together. Imagine if they were getting 24 minutes a night!)
4. The Cavs don't feel they saw the real Caris LeVert after the trade. They expect him to be better next year.
5. So with better injury luck, improvements from some of the young players, and the addition of Sexton the Cavs should be a better team next year even if they make no personnel moves other than the draft pick. However, you can't have a Championship team with your point guard as the biggest piece unless his name is Doncic (who is a PG in a wing's body) or Stephan Curry (greatest shooter of all time). The Cavs will probably not be Championship contenders until Mobley is ready to be the main piece.
6. Fedor would match any offers to Sexton up to about $18 million. If he is signed for next season they could trade him or LeVert, or have Sexton come off the bench in a Jordan Clarkson role. The Cavs can go to about $21 million before eating into their mid-level exemption. They may need the full exemption to sign a decent backup PG.
7. The Cavs desperately need a backup point guard who is a playmaker and a 2-way wing. The top teams have 2-way wings; Jimmy Butler, Jayson Tatum, Kevin Durant. However, the Cavs do not have a "centerpiece" for a trade. The hard core is Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Nobody else on the roster can bring them a quality 2-way wing.
8. As for a starting 2-way wing who will "make a difference in a post-season series", these guys are just not available, especially to a team without a "centerpiece" to offer. You won't get one for guys like Cedi and Windler. Fedor did mention Jeremi Grant of the Pistons but did not suggest any names the Pistons would take for him.
9. As for a backup PG, Mike Conley of the Jazz is a "very, very interesting name". He would fill the Rubio role. He will be 35 next season and will make $22.6 and $24.3 M the next two years, so it would have to be a trade. Goran Dragic is a free agent and is another possibility.
10. Kevin Love would be a "mechanism" to get involved in a trade for a higher priced player like Donovan Mitchell (if the Jazz decide to "shake things up") or Tobias Harris. IOW, it would be Love for Mitchell to make the money work and then the Cavs would add in what the Jazz want for Mitchell. Love has a very valuable expiring contract if the Cavs want to "take a big swing".
11. That being said, Mitchell and Sexton bring the same type of game to the table, so would the Cavs be that much improved with Mitchell or Bradley Beal? Fedor doesn't see them trading for a scoring 2-guard like Mitchell or Beal.
Summing it up, the Cavs can stand pat and with better injury luck field a "formidable" team next year with the addition of Sexton and improvements by LeVert, Mobley, and Okoro. But until Mobley develops into an All-Star and the team's dominant player they are not equipped to be an elite team, not with a point guard as their biggest piece. They need a Jimmy Butler type wing but don't have the trade centerpiece necessary to get one.
My suggestion: Make a deal with a team to trade our #14 pick for their veteran backup point guard (somebody younger and cheaper than Conley). We have to make the pick so the team would tell us who they want when we're on the clock.
1. The Cavs can be a formidable team next year just by standing pat and adding Sexton. They won 44 games last year despite having some of the worst injury luck Fedor has seen. They could have won 50+ games with average injury luck.
2. There's reason to believe Mobley, LeVert, and Okoro will be better next year, plus they add Sexton. They also have the 14th pick.
3. The five-man unit that management really wanted to see was Garland, LeVert, Markkanen, Mobley, and Allen. Due to various injuries they never saw that unit until the Atlanta play-in game. In 24 minutes that unit had a rating of +17 points per 100 possessions. Fedor described that unit as "awesome".
(And that was the first time they were on the floor together. Imagine if they were getting 24 minutes a night!)
4. The Cavs don't feel they saw the real Caris LeVert after the trade. They expect him to be better next year.
5. So with better injury luck, improvements from some of the young players, and the addition of Sexton the Cavs should be a better team next year even if they make no personnel moves other than the draft pick. However, you can't have a Championship team with your point guard as the biggest piece unless his name is Doncic (who is a PG in a wing's body) or Stephan Curry (greatest shooter of all time). The Cavs will probably not be Championship contenders until Mobley is ready to be the main piece.
6. Fedor would match any offers to Sexton up to about $18 million. If he is signed for next season they could trade him or LeVert, or have Sexton come off the bench in a Jordan Clarkson role. The Cavs can go to about $21 million before eating into their mid-level exemption. They may need the full exemption to sign a decent backup PG.
7. The Cavs desperately need a backup point guard who is a playmaker and a 2-way wing. The top teams have 2-way wings; Jimmy Butler, Jayson Tatum, Kevin Durant. However, the Cavs do not have a "centerpiece" for a trade. The hard core is Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Nobody else on the roster can bring them a quality 2-way wing.
8. As for a starting 2-way wing who will "make a difference in a post-season series", these guys are just not available, especially to a team without a "centerpiece" to offer. You won't get one for guys like Cedi and Windler. Fedor did mention Jeremi Grant of the Pistons but did not suggest any names the Pistons would take for him.
9. As for a backup PG, Mike Conley of the Jazz is a "very, very interesting name". He would fill the Rubio role. He will be 35 next season and will make $22.6 and $24.3 M the next two years, so it would have to be a trade. Goran Dragic is a free agent and is another possibility.
10. Kevin Love would be a "mechanism" to get involved in a trade for a higher priced player like Donovan Mitchell (if the Jazz decide to "shake things up") or Tobias Harris. IOW, it would be Love for Mitchell to make the money work and then the Cavs would add in what the Jazz want for Mitchell. Love has a very valuable expiring contract if the Cavs want to "take a big swing".
11. That being said, Mitchell and Sexton bring the same type of game to the table, so would the Cavs be that much improved with Mitchell or Bradley Beal? Fedor doesn't see them trading for a scoring 2-guard like Mitchell or Beal.
Summing it up, the Cavs can stand pat and with better injury luck field a "formidable" team next year with the addition of Sexton and improvements by LeVert, Mobley, and Okoro. But until Mobley develops into an All-Star and the team's dominant player they are not equipped to be an elite team, not with a point guard as their biggest piece. They need a Jimmy Butler type wing but don't have the trade centerpiece necessary to get one.
My suggestion: Make a deal with a team to trade our #14 pick for their veteran backup point guard (somebody younger and cheaper than Conley). We have to make the pick so the team would tell us who they want when we're on the clock.
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The Cavs as a team shot .355 on 2,686 attempts making 953 of them. If you remove Garland, Lauri, and Love, who accounted for 490 makes on 1,311 attempts for .373 shooting from 3-point range, the entire rest of the roster had 463 makes on 1,375 attempts for .336 shooting from range. Harris isn't a bad three point shooter, but he shoots half as much as Love or Lauri. So if you're trading Love, and moving Lauri to the bench, chances are your spacing just got a lot worse (and our spacing is already an area that needs to get fixed).
Also, why would we gift the Sixers $40M in cap space next summer? That much cap space has real value in terms of a trade regardless of whether the Cavs use it or trade it.
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Will disagree here. Between Eason, Daniels, Dieng... There are some highly intriguing wing players that could be there around 14 in the draft. Drafting them to play for the Cavs will pay more dividends for the team in the long term (and, arguably, the short term) imo.
I also want a vet PG on the Cavs, but not at this cost. I know he's still recovering from the ACL injury, but not ruling out the return of Ricky. I think there are lower cost stopgaps combined with some Sexton PG minutes that will work until Rubio recovers. Could also see the hub role for Mobley featured more. And if Ricky is off the table, would explore some other deals before trading the 14th pick for a PG, but I dunno!!! There's more than one way to build a team, that's for sure!
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Not tall enough for Tower City SG, unfortunately.
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14 should only be traded in the pursuit of a wing.
The PG situation is going to be dire beyond DG again, but hopefully a stopgap can be found. I expect Ricky to come back. But he probably won't be seeing the court before the 2023 calendar year at best.
Hopefully the Cavs get creative.
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Agreed. Harris' contract is worse than Love's. Phily would have to give us a sweetner, like Thybulle or Maxey.
Glad kyrie Is taking some blame in breaking up him and LeBron saying he wasn't mature enough. I don't care about his beliefs, or what he does. I mostly can't stand him for thinking he could lead a team and being jealous of sitting backseat to one of the greatest ever. His career would be in such a better position if him and LeBron were still teammates.
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I expect they will sign Rubio and try to get by with a Garland/Sexton/LeVert backcourt until Rubio is ready. If Okoro spends the off-season working on his offensive game and makes some progress that will help.
Koby is talking up how good this draft looks and reportedly he's not the only one who thinks there will be some good projects there at 14. I won't be surprised if all they do is add Rubio and the draft pick. You can consider Sexton to be a free agent signing since he only played in 11 games.
So the second half of the season they could have the same unit they had when they were rolling last year, plus Sexton, and with an improved Mobley. The starting unit of DG, LeVert, Mobley, Allen, and Marky will have had 40 games to get used to each other. Okoro should be better offensively. They would also have the opportunity to trade Love at mid-season to a non-contender looking to add cap space in return for a missing piece.
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