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What if a Mark Williams drops to us which is a good possibility? When Jarrett Allen went down last year we had to scrape Moses Brown off the scrap heap. Williams is a huge upgrade over Brown or an overwhelmed Mobley playing the 5. I also read somewhere Hartenstein had interest in coming back to the Cavz.
 
sailfish said:
The way the draft is shaping up, someone is going to fall to us, whether it's Dieng, Duren, AJ Griffin, Johnny Davis, Sochan, or Mark Williams. Personally, I'd take any of them before I would take Jalen Williams, Branham, Agbaji, or Eason. If the Cavs aren't prepared to take whoever falls and don't love the other guys on the board, they should absolutely look to trade down some.
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you would really take Dieng over Eason, Branham, or Agbaji? Just on the raw potential with nothing really demonstrated performance-wise?
 
Mcreek said:
What if a Mark Williams drops to us which is a good possibility? When Jarrett Allen went down last year we had to scrape Moses Brown off the scrap heap. Williams is a huge upgrade over Brown or an overwhelmed Mobley playing the 5. I also read somewhere Hartenstein had interest in coming back to the Cavz.
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Can we move Williams to SF, then put Lauri at SG? I haven't given up the dream of the all-7 footer lineup. OK, all 7 footers plus DG. Williams shot 73% from the line, I see potential for outside shooting!

Seriously though, I feel like we have real missing pieces on this team and for what is hopefully our last lottery pick for a while we can't really settle for backup center.
 
sailfish said:
The way the draft is shaping up, someone is going to fall to us, whether it's Dieng, Duren, AJ Griffin, Johnny Davis, Sochan, or Mark Williams. Personally, I'd take any of them before I would take Jalen Williams, Branham, Agbaji, or Eason. If the Cavs aren't prepared to take whoever falls and don't love the other guys on the board, they should absolutely look to trade down some.
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You would take Duren or Mark Williams before Eason, Williams or Branham?

That’s….odd to me.

You remember we have a 24 year old two-way all star center locked up for the next 4 years at 20 million a year, right??
 
cavsfever said:
Can we move Williams to SF, then put Lauri at SG? I haven't given up the dream of the all-7 footer lineup. OK, all 7 footers plus DG. Williams shot 73% from the line, I see potential for outside shooting!

Seriously though, I feel like we have real missing pieces on this team and for what is hopefully our last lottery pick for a while we can't really settle for backup center.
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Mark Williams would be this Cavz generation of Hot Rod Williams.
 
Mcreek said:
What if a Mark Williams drops to us which is a good possibility? When Jarrett Allen went down last year we had to scrape Moses Brown off the scrap heap. Williams is a huge upgrade over Brown or an overwhelmed Mobley playing the 5. I also read somewhere Hartenstein had interest in coming back to the Cavz.
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I think the Cavs HAVE TO address backup center to Allen without spending the 14th pick. Center is the easiest position to find.

Williams is a hell of a prospect, no doubt. But Allen is a 24 year old two way star. Gets better every year. Locked up cheap for 4 full seasons. He gets cheaper every year in a way because his salary is flat and the cap usually goes up every year.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
You would take Duren or Mark Williams before Eason, Williams or Branham?

That’s….odd to me.

You remember we have a 24 year old two-way all star center locked up for the next 4 years at 20 million a year, right??
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I would because I'm a staunch believer in drafting for Best Player Available over need. I think Duren & Mark Williams are better than Eason, Williams, or Branham. Having that kind of size creates a nice problem. Besides, I think Allen & Williams could play together sometimes, with Mobley sliding down to SF. Mobley has the footwork to guard just about any position and his offensive game is still evolving, as we saw during the season. Down the road, you may elect to trade one of them, but I think you let it play out see what happens.

Would be reminiscent of when the Cavs drafted Kevin Johnson at PG, when they had Mark Price, who subsequently developed and seized the PG spot. KJ was flipped in a deal that brought us Larry Nance.
 
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cavsfever said:
you would really take Dieng over Eason, Branham, or Agbaji? Just on the raw potential with nothing really demonstrated performance-wise?
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Given the choice between those 4, I'd rank them Dieng, Agbaji, Branham, Eason. Dieng is more of an upside play, but he has the highest ceiling of all of those guys. Agbaji is just solid and would be a great cultural fit here.
 
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sailfish said:
I would because I'm a staunch believer in drafting for Best Player Available over need. I think Duren & Mark Williams are better than Eason, Williams, or Branham. Having that kind of size creates a nice problem. Besides, I think Allen & Williams could play together sometimes, with Mobley sliding down to SF. Mobley has the footwork to guard just about any position and his offensive game is still evolving, as we saw during the season.
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BPA is all well and good but at some point you’re talking about wasting a lotto pick.

I don’t see any world where Allen and Williams can play together outside of some gimmicky nonsense in the dregs of the regular season.

That lineup is a disservice to Allen, a disservice to Williams and worst of all a disservice to Evan Mobley.

That’s the kind of stuff bottom feeder teams do just to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Sacramento kinda shit. See which player stands out and keep them. But we already know we have two star big men.

Would just be a very bad move. If the Cavs don’t like any wing or even a guard like TyTy who actually would still have a legitimate role on this team….enough to draft over Mark Williams at 14 then they should trade back and bank an asset.

Luckily I think Charlotte will almost surely take Mark Williams if he’s still around at 13.
 
InBoobieWeTrust said:
BPA is all well and good but at some point you’re talking about wasting a lotto pick.

I don’t see any world where Allen and Williams can play together outside of some gimmicky nonsense in the dregs of the regular season.

That lineup is a disservice to Allen, a disservice to Williams and worst of all a disservice to Evan Mobley.

That’s the kind of stuff bottom feeder teams do just to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks. Sacramento kinda shit. See which player stands out and keep them. But we already know we have two star big men.

Would just be a very bad move. If the Cavs don’t like any wing or even a guard like TyTy who actually would still have a legitimate role on this team….enough to draft over Mark Williams at 14 then they should trade back and bank an asset.

Luckily I think Charlotte will almost surely take Mark Williams if he’s still around at 13.
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People said the same thing about Allen & Mobley- that they couldn't play together. How'd that turn out?

Enter Markkanen, via sign & trade, and no one thought the big lineup would work. Again, how'd that turn out??

Sometimes things don't turn out like we think they would or should.

One thing that's apparent is I'm a BPA guy and you believe in drafting for need. It's two different mindsets, so I wouldn't expect us to agree. I happen to believe that you can miss out on a very good player by going for Need over BPA.
 
Mcreek said:
What if a Mark Williams drops to us which is a good possibility?
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If Williams is truly that good, yet somehow still manages to slip to 14, there should be no shortage of other teams calling us to make a trade. And if teams are unwilling to trade for Williams on draft day, there's no reason to assume he'd be any easier to move going forward.
 
Mcreek said:
I also read somewhere Hartenstein had interest in coming back to the Cavz.
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I saw a quote of his that was complimentary of Cleveland but I don’t think it’s indicative of free agent interest. We can only offer a limited role as a bench center, and he’s still a fairly young guy trying to make his mark. That said, I’d love to take him back and wish we never let him go.
 
Drafting a back-up C with a lottery pick in 2022. That'd be about the most losing strategy I can think of.

Now you have not one but TWO Centers who can't shoot.


This ain't 1997.

If you pick Williams, you would do so with the idea that you'd be looking to trade either he or Allen.

So you should just go ahead and do that beforehand, because value is likely to be lost from the draft onward.
 
Rich said:
Drafting a back-up C with a lottery pick in 2022. That'd be about the most losing strategy I can think of.

Now you have not one but TWO Centers who can't shoot.


This ain't 1997.

If you pick Williams, you would do so with the idea that you'd be looking to trade either he or Allen.

So you should just go ahead and do that beforehand, because value is likely to be lost from the draft onward.
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Somewhat amazingly, Williams has a 7.5" standing reach advantage over Allen- 9'9" vs 9'1.5". That's not insignificant and speaks to Williams' crazy length. For context, that's 3.5" beyond Joel Embiid's reach and 1.5" beyond Mo Bamba's. Bamba has a 7'10" wingspan.

Williams' per 40 minute stats are also better than Allen's were at Texas across the board. Guys with such long arms often times don't shoot the ball well, but Williams shot over 72% from the charity stripe.

I think Williams will be the better center, but understand if people aren't comfortable trading Allen yet. I just see too much upside to pass on there.
 
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