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Did Koby Altman nail the rebuild?

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NMCav said:
I would argue Okoro has been a bust. And he took Garland at 5 I'm 2019 which was a really risky pick. Sexton was also a widely panned pick at the time. With Okoro being Shaky so far this seems like him trying to correct that pick.
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Didn't we think Okoro was a multi positional defender and solidly could defend SFs when he was drafted. I think the organization did and drafting a 3&D SG isn't really correcting the issue.

I would agree and disagree that Garland was a risky pick. He was risky in a vacuum because he didn't play much in college but I think it's been very apparent that the gap between him and the rest of that top 5 vs 6-10 in that draft was pretty damn huge. Garland was the last of the good tier of players.
 
inliner311 said:
Didn't we think Okoro was a multi positional defender and solidly could defend SFs when he was drafted. I think the organization did and drafting a 3&D SG isn't really correcting the issue.

I would agree and disagree that Garland was a risky pick. He was risky in a vacuum because he didn't play much in college but I think it's been very apparent that the gap between him and the rest of that top 5 vs 6-10 in that draft was pretty damn huge. Garland was the last of the good tier of players.
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If Okoro was a hit would Agbaji still have been the pick tonight? Okoro wasn't what we thought that much is obvious. He was playing SG last year with Lauri at SF. He couldn't cut it and we just drafted a SG that will likely take Okoros job. Okoro wasn't what he was drafted to be and Agbaji is likely taking his rotation spot. So yes he's replacing the Okoro mistake.
 
Outside of the trade for Jarett Allen what exactly has Altman done that is so great? Drafting Mobley was a no brainer. Garland was a good pick but I think most people would have done the same. Everything else Altman has done has been bad whether in the draft ( Windler, Porter Jr, Okoro) and trades (LeVert). This draft is another disaster. Agbaji is a decent player but you have to go for upside when picking in the lottery and all 3 second round picks were a waste.

Unfortunately the Cavs upside as a team is going to be severely limited going forward because of bad decisions that Altman is making.
 
NMCav said:
If Okoro was a hit would Agbaji still have been the pick tonight? Okoro wasn't what we thought that much is obvious. He was playing SG last year with Lauri at SF. He couldn't cut it and we just drafted a SG that will likely take Okoros job. Okoro wasn't what he was drafted to be and Agbaji is likely taking his rotation spot. So yes he's replacing the Okoro mistake.
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I get what's your saying but if that's the way Koby is thinking, I'm not sure that's the way he should have been looking to use the #14 pick. It just seems to be limiting this team to the current formula and not giving coaching staff the tools to expand it further.
 
inliner311 said:
I get what's your saying but if that's the way Koby is thinking, I'm not sure that's the way he should have been looking to use the #14 pick. It just seems to be limiting this team to the current formula and not giving coaching staff the tools to expand it further.
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I mean the theory is Agbaji profiles to be a similar defender to Okoro with a legit 3 point shot. Altman mentioned the shooting when talking about Agbaji which is something others on the team don't have. The weird thing to me if he wanted shooting why didn't he take Griffin who is 4 years younger and a better shooter then Agbaji? Makes no sense to me.
 
This was a disappointing draft. Felt like we had an opportunity to not only get a missing piece for the young core but we weren’t aggressive in getting some high upside players. Memphis made the playoffs but you saw them making moves to get better, deeper and younger all night while we wasted 3 second round picks. Seems like we’re still missing that legit SF unless Koby feels Lamar and Dean Wade can continue to develop there…
 
NMCav said:
I mean the theory is Agbaji profiles to be a similar defender to Okoro with a legit 3 point shot. Altman mentioned the shooting when talking about Agbaji which is something others on the team don't have. The weird thing to me if he wanted shooting why didn't he take Griffin who is 4 years younger and a better shooter then Agbaji? Makes no sense to me.
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Right, like I understand going after 3pt shooting but the profile of the player he took in Agbaji is just a head scratcher. The upside of Griffin or Branham seemed higher. Even Eason seem to have more upside while giving some 3pt shooting. I think Eason's height and length is something you take a swing at and might have been more what we were looking to get out of Okoro initially.
 
willglam said:
This was a disappointing draft. Felt like we had an opportunity to not only get a missing piece for the young core but we weren’t aggressive in getting some high upside players. Memphis made the playoffs but you saw them making moves to get better, deeper and younger all night while we wasted 3 second round picks. Seems like we’re still missing that legit SF unless Koby feels Lamar and Dean Wade can continue to develop there…
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Wasting 2nd rounders doesn't really matter. But Isaiah Mobley has legitimate skills. Now I didn't want him because if we cut him down the line it could piss Evan off and I wanted to avoid that. As for stash players you never know what they can be. The Center one is more annoying then the Aussie pick. Anyone complaining about wasting the 49th or 56th pick has some issues.
 
willglam said:
This was a disappointing draft. Felt like we had an opportunity to not only get a missing piece for the young core but we weren’t aggressive in getting some high upside players. Memphis made the playoffs but you saw them making moves to get better, deeper and younger all night while we wasted 3 second round picks. Seems like we’re still missing that legit SF unless Koby feels Lamar and Dean Wade can continue to develop there…
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The angst about the 2nd round picks is ridiculous. Yes, I get that they sometimes surprise, BUT realistically look at it this way, this team has not picked a 2nd rounder since Boobie Gibson that accomplished anything with this organization. Every year it's the same thing here, all these threads about these sleepers we will pick in the 2nd that will become stars, and every single year we pick some guys we will never hear from again.
 
inliner311 said:
Right, like I understand going after 3pt shooting but the profile of the player he took in Agbaji is just a head scratcher. The upside of Griffin or Branham seemed higher. Even Eason seem to have more upside while giving some 3pt shooting. I think Eason's height and length is something you take a swing at and might have been more what we were looking to get out of Okoro initially.
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Eason apparently had a bad workout for the Cavaliers and wasn't under consideration. As for Branham depends on what you want. Branham has more offensive upside but will never really be a defender. I would have preferred Eason or Branham. Agbaji was at the bottom of my list. But I get the thought process. He's a better 3 point shooter then both. He's much better then Eason. And he profiles as a better defender then Branham in both the short and long term. I don't like the pick but I'm not gonna worry about what ifs until we see the kids play.
 
dms said:
The angst about the 2nd round picks is ridiculous. Yes, I get that they sometimes surprise, BUT realistically look at it this way, this team has not picked a 2nd rounder since Boobie Gibson that accomplished anything with this organization. Every year it's the same thing here, all these threads about these sleepers we will pick in the 2nd that will become stars, and every single year we pick some guys we will never hear from again.
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The point isn’t being angry about shitty 2nd round picks it’s about not being aggressive in trading them to move up or trading them for future picks to use as assets the way Minnesota, Memphis, OKC, Detroit all got better today. They were aggressive and improved their teams while Koby thinks the player we got is a finished product lol
 
willglam said:
This was a disappointing draft. Felt like we had an opportunity to not only get a missing piece for the young core but we weren’t aggressive in getting some high upside players. Memphis made the playoffs but you saw them making moves to get better, deeper and younger all night while we wasted 3 second round picks. Seems like we’re still missing that legit SF unless Koby feels Lamar and Dean Wade can continue to develop there…
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The Cavs either don’t like SF’s or don’t know what one looks like. I really have no issues with the Agbaji pick and think he has a decent chance at succeeding, even if it does create a logjam at SG.

The 3 second round picks were majorly disappointing. The Cavs drafted Isaiah Mobley because of his last name and in an effort to keep goodwill with the family. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have been drafted. I’ll be surprised if Diop & Travers ever put on a Cavaliers uniform.
 
sailfish said:
The Cavs either don’t like SF’s or don’t know what one looks like. I really have no issues with the Agbaji pick and think he has a decent chance at succeeding, even if it does create a logjam at SG.

The 3 second round picks were majorly disappointing. The Cavs drafted Isaiah Mobley because of his last name and in an effort to keep goodwill with the family. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have been drafted. I’ll be surprised if Diop & Travers ever put on a Cavaliers uniform.
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Mobley has NBA skills. He has alot of similarities to Dean Wade. He's likely going to be the Wade replacement when Wade's contract expires next year. As for Travers who cares about the 56th pick in the draft. The Diop pick was mildly annoying. I think Altman bought the draft pick from kings with a trade up in mind and either his target went or the other team backed out or took another trade. I'm not gonna get mad over 2nd round picks though.
 
sailfish said:
The Cavs either don’t like SF’s or don’t know what one looks like. I really have no issues with the Agbaji pick and think he has a decent chance at succeeding, even if it does create a logjam at SG.

The 3 second round picks were majorly disappointing. The Cavs drafted Isaiah Mobley because of his last name and in an effort to keep goodwill with the family. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have been drafted. I’ll be surprised if Diop & Travers ever put on a Cavaliers uniform.
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Right I think they don't know how to scout SFs. I do think it's much harder to find a SF than a guard or a big. We need to take swings to find one or two and not be worried about some busting especially if we are using 2nd round picks.

I'm worried when they finally realize how big of a hole they have left in the roster it will be too late. This might have been the chance to find one with #14 and they just weren't aggressive enough.
 
inliner311 said:
Right I think they don't know how to scout SFs. I do think it's much harder to find a SF than a guard or a big. We need to take swings to find one or two and not be worried about some busting especially if we are using 2nd round picks.

I'm worried when they finally realize how big of a hole they have left in the roster it will be too late. This might have been the chance to find one with #14 and they just weren't aggressive enough.
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The only one we could’ve taken at 14 was Eason, and clearly they had some issues with his workout and makeup.

Everyone else was a 6’6 guy anyway at that spot.

I liked Beauchamp, and at 6’7, 7’1 I think he could’ve been the SF with size.

But Cavs brought all these guys in to workout and picked who they did. They clearly know more than we do.
 
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