Doncic's situation in Dallas almost mirrors Lebron's first tenure in Cleveland. Capped out team, lack of FRP's, overpaid roleplayers. It says something about Doncic that he's able to carry that team in the playoffs. Some of the supposed superstars such as KD couldn't do it.
Can’t find any confirmation of this on the net, are you sure it happened? Seems like a lot for them to offer given the importance they are putting on defense and that Colin is not the greatest defender
[ok I see this was already debunked as fake news above]
Can’t find any confirmation of this on the net, are you sure it happened? Seems like a lot for them to offer given the importance they are putting on defense and that Colin is not the greatest defender
[ok I see this was already debunked as fake news above]
Even if they are willing, making it happen is difficult due to BYC rules.
If Sexton is making $21M then in a trade he would be worth that to the Mavs but he'd only count half of it ($10.5M) for the Cavs for trade purposes. With the 125%+100K rule for trades, This would not work unless you could either load up a lot more salary or involved a third team.
In trading Collin Sexton, the Cavs could only receive $12.6M back in salaries for Sexton.
No a team like the Spurs with cap space can make this easy, even if they are the third team. But they'll want something in return for facilitating. The Spurs can take on excess salary up to the cap. If you trade with the Spurs directly, you can take much lower salary back and the Spurs can guarantee they get the player - but not sure the Spurs are all that interested. Granted if they really like Sexton, giving him an offer sheet will just guarantee the Cavs match it unless they overpay - and the Spurs don't tend to overpay for guys.
Even if they are willing, making it happen is difficult due to BYC rules.
If Sexton is making $21M then in a trade he would be worth that to the Mavs but he'd only count half of it ($10.5M) for the Cavs for trade purposes. With the 125%+100K rule for trades, This would not work unless you could either load up a lot more salary or involved a third team.
In trading Collin Sexton, the Cavs could only receive $12.6M back in salaries for Sexton.
No a team like the Spurs with cap space can make this easy, even if they are the third team. But they'll want something in return for facilitating. The Spurs can take on excess salary up to the cap. If you trade with the Spurs directly, you can take much lower salary back and the Spurs can guarantee they get the player - but not sure the Spurs are all that interested. Granted if they really like Sexton, giving him an offer sheet will just guarantee the Cavs match it unless they overpay - and the Spurs don't tend to overpay for guys.
Agreed, the BYC rules make a straight S&T between CLE and DAL difficult, but from my limited research of the CBA, we may have a tiny bit more wiggle room than you think. The following snippet is from this LINK:
Non-Taxpaying Scenario —
Rule — If a team’s post-trade team salary is above the salary cap but below the tax level, then a traded player may be replaced in the same transaction by one or more players whose salaries together do not exceed the greater of (i) the lesser of (A) 175% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000, or (B) the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $5 million, or (ii) 125% of the pre-trade salary of the traded player plus $100,000.
If CLE can pull off a deal such that they remain under the tax line, then the amount CLE can take back is actually the outgoing salary plus $5 million, not 125% plus $100k. DAL will be over the tax line, so the amount they can take back will still be limited to 125% of their outgoing salaries plus $100k.
As a matter of fact, if such discussions were about a potential trade with no other teams involved, then that could give us a pretty big clue as to what the numbers of a potential contract would look like. CLE can take back at most half of Sexton's upcoming salary plus $5 mil. Meanwhile, DAL would have to send out at least Sexton's upcoming salary less $100k all divided by 125%. If I correctly nerded out these numbers, Collin's upcoming salary would be capped out at $16,933,333. That would mean that DAL would send back $13,466,667 in salary. TPEs on either side would make such a deal easier to make, but neither team has any worth a damn -- CLE has a couple tiny ones of less than $1 mil but since they cannot be combined, they're pretty worthless.
X = Sexton's salary, Y = total salaries sent out by DAL
0.5X + 5,000,000 = Y
X = 1.25Y + 100,000, therefore 0.8X - 80,000 = Y
0.5X + 5,000,000 = 0.8X - 80,000, therefore X = 16,933,333
Bottom line is, if CLE and DAL were really having S&T discussions that didn't involve a third team, and if my understanding of the CBA and BYC rules is accurate, then that tells me that Collin's camp is already willing to take a starting salary of under $17 mil, which I found to be an encouraging sign for Koby and the Cavs. Now if the discussions actually called for additional teams to help facilitate, or if tons of salary were added on top of the initial framework, such as adding Love or LeVert to the deal, then I suppose a bigger contract for Sexton could be accommodated.
If Sexton was okay with an annual salary under 17 mill, I think the front office would jump on that. That's around the number they wanted to pay before he got hurt iirc.
The question that begs answering is what player is out there THAT IS AVAILABLE that we would even do a S&T for??? We DO NOT want Cryie….KD is out of our asset range. So who would we be looking at. With the drafting of Ochai, the FA signings of Rubio, Neto and Lopez…..the only position we are in the market for is a “quality” SF that can create and shoot! I haven’t heard of anybody like that on the trade market.
If Sexton was okay with an annual salary under 17 mill, I think the front office would jump on that. That's around the number they wanted to pay before he got hurt iirc.
Agreed, the BYC rules make a straight S&T between CLE and DAL difficult, but from my limited research of the CBA, we may have a tiny bit more wiggle room than you think. The following snippet is from this LINK:
So basically, a team could give Sexton a S&T contract starting at $20mil if the Cavs take back a $15Mil contract and send Osman or Windler with a decent second round pick to a 3rd team with cap space.
What would the Cavs want in return? 3&D? Backup PG? Versatile wing? Dead salary with some sweet draft picks?
Someone with more CBA knowledge can correct me on this, but are there not restrictions with what can go out in a SnT? I thought you could not include any other players if you are the team that had the sign and traded player's original signing rights.
If Sexton was okay with an annual salary under 17 mill, I think the front office would jump on that. That's around the number they wanted to pay before he got hurt iirc.
If I were Sexton I would take two or three years for $15 million. He’s at risk of falling substantially in salary if he goes on the open market I think, and his QO is much less than that. Coming back from an injury is not the time to get greedy, if the Cavs are setting him up for life he should take that deal
Someone with more CBA knowledge can correct me on this, but are there not restrictions with what can go out in a SnT? I thought you could not include any other players if you are the team that had the sign and traded player's original signing rights.
92. Can a free agent be signed and immediately traded?
The sign-and-trade rule allows teams to re-sign their own free agents for trading purposes. Under this rule the player is re-signed and immediately traded to another team. This is done by adding a clause to the contract stipulating that the contract is null and void if the trade to the specific team is not completed within 48 hours. A sign-and-trade is treated like a single, atomic transaction, and not two separate transactions between which one party can change its mind -- if the trade is not completed, then the signing is invalidated.
To qualify for a sign-and-trade, all of the following must be true:
The player must re-sign with his prior team -- a team cannot include another team's free agent in a sign-and-trade.
The player must finish the preceding season with that team (deals are no longer allowed that sign-and-trade players who are out of the league, such as the sign-and-trade that sent Keith Van Horn from Dallas to New Jersey as part of the Jason Kidd trade in 2008).
The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team (see question number 42).
The team receiving the player cannot be above the "Apron" (see question number 20) at the conclusion of the trade1, 2. A team above the Apron can receive a player in a sign-and-trade if the trade reduces the team's payroll and the team finishes the trade below the Apron.
The team cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade if they have used the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25) that season.1
The trade must be completed prior to the first game of the regular season (sign-and-trades are not allowed once the season begins).
The player cannot be signed using the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, or any exception that cannot be used to offer a three-year contract (see question number 25).
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