Collin Sexton | The Young Bull

The Oi said:

Also an anagram of Slam It, Ron and Iron Malts which is important.

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How did I miss that???

The Oi said:

Also an anagram of Slam It, Ron

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Benway said:

How did I miss that???

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So focused on the obscure that the obvious evades you. Happens to the best of us.

BigZ94 said:

Part of being too good too quick, kind of due to the stupid way the nba is set up. You need to draft your superstar and then suck a year or two longer to pick up a couple more high lottery picks. If you draft a generational talent who makes you competitive straight away you miss out in the long term

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I wonder when Luka decides to say “I want out”! I love Cuban as an owner but it does no good to have all that money if you can’t get the right FAs there to play with your Star! We all know about that!

mds said:

It’s almost like the internet is full of disinformation.

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Wait, is this true?

The longer this drags on the more likely its a sign and trade being organised imo

cabs said:

The longer this drags on the more likely its a sign and trade being organised imo

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The only thing that would happen quickly would be if another team gives him a straight up offer.

S&T take a bit of time.

The Cavs giving a direct offer would take even more time (the price gets cheaper every day he can't find a good offer).

Accepting the QO probably wouldn't happen until September (no reason to rush it and give the team security).

Lyuokdea said:

The only thing that would happen quickly would be if another team gives him a straight up offer.

S&T take a bit of time.

The Cavs giving a direct offer would take even more time (the price gets cheaper every day he can't find a good offer).

Accepting the QO probably wouldn't happen until September (no reason to rush it and give the team security).

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Good point about Cavs waiting for cheapest offer, I would think there is 0 chance of him just taking the QO though

cabs said:

Good point about Cavs waiting for cheapest offer, I would think there is 0 chance of him just taking the QO though

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I disagree. I think this ends up with Sexton eventually signing & playing on the QO, for the following reasons:

1) Klutch and the Cavs are still far apart ($5M/year) in terms of an extension and what they think Sexton is worth.
2) Interest from other teams has dried up.
3) Cavs are unlikely to cooperate in a sign & trade, as teams are just presenting offers of bad contracts (ie Duncan Robinson) and pieces they don’t want/need.
4) there will be more teams with cap room next summer when Sexton would be an unrestricted free agent.

I believe this is the second straight offseason that no restricted free agents have signed an offer sheet with another team. Teams just aren’t willing to tie up their cap room on a RFA when the offer sheet may just be matched anyways.

Say what you want about Collin, but he’ll sign the QO before he signs a multi-year extension for less than he feels he’s worth. Down deep I think he still sees the Cavs as his team and playing another year, beside his good buddy, DG, isn’t the worst thing in the world.

sailfish said:

I disagree. I think this ends up with Sexton eventually signing & playing on the QO, for the following reasons:

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Here's why he doesn't take the QO unless he's desperate to leave the Cavs ASAP


The first path has a high risk and doesn't pay as well
The second path has lower risk and pays better.

So it seems likely that at some point in late August or early September, Sexton signs a 3 year deal with the Cavs--

sailfish said:

I disagree. I think this ends up with Sexton eventually signing & playing on the QO, for the following reasons:

1) Klutch and the Cavs are still far apart ($5M/year) in terms of an extension and what they think Sexton is worth.
2) Interest from other teams has dried up.
3) Cavs are unlikely to cooperate in a sign & trade, as teams are just presenting offers of bad contracts (ie Duncan Robinson) and pieces they don’t want/need.
4) there will be more teams with cap room next summer when Sexton would be an unrestricted free agent.

I believe this is the second straight offseason that no restricted free agents have signed an offer sheet with another team. Teams just aren’t willing to tie up their cap room on a RFA when the offer sheet may just be matched anyways.

Say what you want about Collin, but he’ll sign the QO before he signs a multi-year extension for less than he feels he’s worth. Down deep I think he still sees the Cavs as his team and playing another year, beside his good buddy, DG, isn’t the worst thing in the world.

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It’s been 4.5 days.

We also don’t know that the Cavs are unwilling to engage in sign-and-trade options. It’s only been…. 4.5 days.

inliner311 said:

I don't think people are taking into account how little they value Cedi and Windler or the assets that would be necessary to move them to not go into the luxury tax. They have over 4 million in cash consideration and just bought the #49 pick for 1.7 million. They can use not so good future 2nd round picks to move them and always replace the picks at draft time. They can also pay for all of Windler's salary for the whole year and give another team a free flyer on Windler.

I wouldn't be surprised if they already have trades lined up for Cedi and Windler. They will just execute one or both when they have the contract number for Sexton agreed upon.

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I agree, with our first round pick, I do not see a need to keep Cedi. Who is not a JB favorite anyway. Windler just isnt going to cut it

CavsKermit said:

I'll never understand fans who root for their team to sign players to bad contracts.

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It's not what I want but it's what I think will happen. Big difference. Thinking he will sign for 12M long term is fools gold and delusional. It's either 16-20M or he takes the QO and becomes a UFA, no in between.

Douglar said:

Here's why he doesn't take the QO unless he's desperate to leave the Cavs ASAP

Season	QO & 2 Year deal as a UFA​	3 Year with Cavs​
2022-23	$7,228,449​	$16,000,000​
2023-24	$20,000,000​	$17,280,000​
2024-25	$21,000,000​	$18,560,000​
Total​	$48,228,449​	$51,840,000​

The first path has a high risk and doesn't pay as well
The second path has lower risk and pays better.

So it seems likely that at some point in late August or early September, Sexton signs a 3 year deal with the Cavs--

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I agree with this -- so long as we are offering him something like $17.5M/yr then he will probably eventually sign.

But if we are offering $12.5M/year -- then he will take the QO.

Douglar said:

Here's why he doesn't take the QO unless he's desperate to leave the Cavs ASAP

Season	QO & 2 Year deal as a UFA​	3 Year with Cavs​
2022-23	$7,228,449​	$16,000,000​
2023-24	$20,000,000​	$17,280,000​
2024-25	$21,000,000​	$18,560,000​
Total​	$48,228,449​	$51,840,000​

The first path has a high risk and doesn't pay as well
The second path has lower risk and pays better.

So it seems likely that at some point in late August or early September, Sexton signs a 3 year deal with the Cavs--

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You beat me to it. I was getting ready to come in and make the exact same point. There's absolutely no reason for Sexton to risk playing on the $7.2 million QO, absolutely zero reason. Either another team comes with a S&T that is acceptable to Sexton and the Cavs, or they agree to a short term deal where Sexton gets both financial security and the chance to test his value in FA in another couple of years. The Cavs get the benefit of an offensive spark plug which they're sorely lacking. Win/win, except for those who keep insisting Sexton's value is somewhere south of $12 million.