2022 Summer League Thread

The Human Q-Tip said:

Why didn't a guy who was on the bubble to be drafted get himself into better shape? Was there an injury or something, or did he just not care?

Honest question.

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Maybe the Cavs gave him a promise and his agent told him to take it easy because the only thing that would stop the Cavs from drafting him would be a significant injury.

If a player isn't getting any buzz to be a first round pick, I'm not sure what the motivation would be to try to get drafted higher in the second round if they have a promise from a team they want to go to. There isn't a rookie scale in the second round.

I took a bit of heat for saying Brobs wasn’t NBA quality, but we’ll see. I don’t know how you show up to anything out of shape if you want the job. I’m a musican and I fucking shed my ass off for gigs.

mds said:

I took a bit of heat for saying Brobs wasn’t NBA quality, but we’ll see. I don’t know how you show up to anything out of shape if you want the job. I’m a musican and I fucking shed my ass off for gigs.

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He's got the Exum body type, I call it heavy slim

mds said:

I took a bit of heat for saying Brobs wasn’t NBA quality, but we’ll see. I don’t know how you show up to anything out of shape if you want the job. I’m a musican and I fucking shed my ass off for gigs.

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I hope you don't play anything that requires sitting if you're shedding your ass off beforehand...

cabs said:

He's got the Exum body type, I call it heavy slim

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Got that fat ass running motion... butt out hunched neck type of thing. Absolutely devastating.

RchfldCavRaised said:

I think Scottie Barnes is a Draymond or Rodman like savant. Selfless and sees the floor for all 5 guys on his side of the ball.

Eason isn't that, but he's also not the box of crayons in game action that he's been described as after a few workouts. I think he has some irrational confidence and makes bad decisions with the ball in his hands just being a aggressive competitor like young Artest did, but he should learn to harness that and impact games based on how competitive he is.

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I wanted Eason. I think we needed a guy like him.

Still, I am having a hard time saying if they did their interviews and saw his bad workouts that showed how raw and low his bbiq was that they should still have taken him over a guy that is poised, skilled, and already had NBA range with a super pretty shot.

It's pretty easy to see that Agbaji impressed them and it is super easy to imagine his impact on the team. He's a winner, a clutch shooter and he just put up 24 barely touching the ball.

It is going to suck if Eason becomes Kawhi but bigger. However, Ochai looks like he might be one of the best shooters which changes the calculus for me. He's shooting off screens and movement. Turnarounds and he gets up high so it's hard to block.

I'm just not gonna cry if he gives Mobley an excellent shooting target on the perimeter and makes our big 3 a lethal combo with space to operate.

Keep in mind a lot of the guys playing in SL will be driving an Amazon truck in October. As I said after the game 2 stinker, you never want to get too high or too low in SL. Especially not game to game. (It’s fitting that I was the Agjabi voice of reason, preaching patience after his poor game 2). If SL was the end all be all, then LiAngelo would be getting a contract. Nope.

We always knew OA could shoot. So I think his performance in game 3 is more of a relief than cause for excitement. He is supposed to excel at the one elite skill he has. It would be a disaster if he went 1-6.

If he can develop into a tertiary playmaker, I’ll be the first to eat crow. I still think there were better options, but he is our guy now. I’m glad he hit his threes like we are paying him to do. Let’s see a game with more than 1 assist and see him in the league where the real Ball bros play before we proclaim him the steal of the draft. I was right to say let’s not to get too low after game 2, and won’t get too high after game 3. But again, good shooting.

MirORich said:

That’s Windlers own fault/issue imo

If anything, I feel like he’d get pulled from games because A: he was doing little to earn extended 8 minute stretched and B he was actually passing up the shots they had put him in the game to take for floor spreading purposes.

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The Windler slander is crazy.

How soon we forget. When I saw this guy in summer league, I was sure that with patient coaching he would be our Thunder Dan or Craig Ehlo. This guy wasn’t overthinking the game. He was playing INSTINCTUAL.

His length and nose for the ball… he’d be the best player on this years summer league team


This guy came from a Spurs like Belmont program where he broke records for legendary coach Rick Byrd.

Who is Rick Byrd? Only literally a college carbon copy of Greg Popovich or Larry Brown. Belmont is a tiny little Christian college a few blocks away from my old office and I circled about 3 of their home games and squeezed into their tiny gym and suffered through pregame prayers to see his teams compete because of how great he was. The college might be the size of Case Western Reserve or Our Lady of the Elms and he turned them into a POWER that turned out multiple NBA players despite being like the 5th choice of in-state 3-star recruits (they get Vandy, Memphis, UT and MTSU leftovers).

Byrd started this guy for 4 years and developed him and I still believe he has the tools to contribute at this level… under a coach that knows how use the tools in his shed.

InBoobieWeTrust said:

It’s crazy to say anybody is going to be one of the best shooters in the league one day.

But I do think Agbaji if he hits his *ceiling* has a chance to be up there. He’s got a good enough stroke and is unique enough with the shot that if his career goes the right way I think that’s on the “best case scenario” dartboard at least. Might be the bullseye but it’s there. He really shoots that ball perfectly and that’s while coming off of screens, single dribble moves to create space, catching or just pulling up. Contested or not. He can do it all in terms of shooting the rock.

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I'd love to see him develop a pump fake like Kevin Love where he catches the pass coming off a screen, pump fakes a 3, gets his man in the air, and either does a reposition dribble for an uncontested 3 or drives into the paint.

Right now he's doing the catch-and-shoot even when contested. If he could complement that with the pump fake it would be devastating.

RchfldCavRaised said:

The Windler slander is crazy.

How soon we forget. When I saw this guy in summer league, I was sure that with patient coaching he would be our Thunder Dan or Craig Ehlo. This guy wasn’t overthinking the game. He was playing INSTINCTUAL.

His length and nose for the ball… he’d be the best player on this years summer league team


This guy came from a Spurs like Belmont program where he broke records for legendary coach Rick Byrd.

Who is Rick Byrd? Only literally a college carbon copy of Greg Popovich or Larry Brown. Belmont is a tiny little Christian college a few blocks away from my old office and I circled about 3 of their home games and squeezed into their tiny gym and suffered through pregame prayers to see his teams compete because of how great he was. The college might be the size of Case Western Reserve or Our Lady of the Elms and he turned them into a POWER that turned out multiple NBA players despite being like the 5th choice of in-state 3-star recruits (they get Vandy, Memphis, UT and MTSU leftovers).

Byrd started this guy for 4 years and developed him and I still believe he has the tools to contribute at this level… under a coach that knows how use the tools in his shed.

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I said this before, but JBB strikes me as having a lot of Paul Silas in him. Silas very much wanted players to play a certain way, and to play defined roles. That isn't a bad approach for a bad team that lacks discipline, and you may get some improvement in wins out of it.

The problem is that while it raises the floor, I believe it also lowers the ceiling because you are preventing players from maximizing their particular skills. They are afraid to do anything that isn't scripted because it might result in them getting a quick hook. I cannot believe it is a coincidence that we have so many guys who look afraid to shoot, or guys who believe their job is simply to run into the corner and stand there waiting for a three opportunity.

RchfldCavRaised said:

The Windler slander is crazy.

How soon we forget. When I saw this guy in summer league, I was sure that with patient coaching he would be our Thunder Dan or Craig Ehlo. This guy wasn’t overthinking the game. He was playing INSTINCTUAL.

His length and nose for the ball… he’d be the best player on this years summer league team


This guy came from a Spurs like Belmont program where he broke records for legendary coach Rick Byrd.

Who is Rick Byrd? Only literally a college carbon copy of Greg Popovich or Larry Brown. Belmont is a tiny little Christian college a few blocks away from my old office and I circled about 3 of their home games and squeezed into their tiny gym and suffered through pregame prayers to see his teams compete because of how great he was. The college might be the size of Case Western Reserve or Our Lady of the Elms and he turned them into a POWER that turned out multiple NBA players despite being like the 5th choice of in-state 3-star recruits (they get Vandy, Memphis, UT and MTSU leftovers).

Byrd started this guy for 4 years and developed him and I still believe he has the tools to contribute at this level… under a coach that knows how use the tools in his shed.

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Yea that player is dead and gone and I do lay much of the blame at the feet of JBB.

You will never, ever see him take some of those quick shots anymore.

I still think another team has a chance to revive his potential, but the Cavs need to get rid of him and soon. Honestly, they should do it just to help him out at this point.

And that IS something to be worried about with Agbaji. ABsolutely.

Rich said:

Yea that player is dead and gone and I do lay much of the blame at the feet of JBB.

You will never, ever see him take some of those quick shots anymore.

I still think another team has a chance to revive his potential, but the Cavs need to get rid of him and soon. Honestly, they should do it just to help him out at this point.

And that IS something to be worried about with Agbaji. ABsolutely.

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I wouldn't say dead and gone. You give him a coach who has a clue on offense and I'd still bet on him being something at this level. Ironically, Beiline was the right coach for him and everyone that's a part of our young core but he didn't navigate Love so he lost the war.

If by the trade deadline, Ochai looks like a POW, we have our cause for the Windler and Okoro shooting yips effect, though

RchfldCavRaised said:

The Windler slander is crazy.

How soon we forget. When I saw this guy in summer league, I was sure that with patient coaching he would be our Thunder Dan or Craig Ehlo. This guy wasn’t overthinking the game. He was playing INSTINCTUAL.

His length and nose for the ball… he’d be the best player on this years summer league team


This guy came from a Spurs like Belmont program where he broke records for legendary coach Rick Byrd.

Who is Rick Byrd? Only literally a college carbon copy of Greg Popovich or Larry Brown. Belmont is a tiny little Christian college a few blocks away from my old office and I circled about 3 of their home games and squeezed into their tiny gym and suffered through pregame prayers to see his teams compete because of how great he was. The college might be the size of Case Western Reserve or Our Lady of the Elms and he turned them into a POWER that turned out multiple NBA players despite being like the 5th choice of in-state 3-star recruits (they get Vandy, Memphis, UT and MTSU leftovers).

Byrd started this guy for 4 years and developed him and I still believe he has the tools to contribute at this level… under a coach that knows how use the tools in his shed.

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He needs coaching like “hey, don’t klang 19 in a row”

One more thing on Windler but you watch that video an you see a guy who just has good instincts. Cutting at the right time. Finding the loose balls.

We really messed him up. That guy could have truly been a good player and regular contributor.

THat's a missed opportunity.

I find it funny that people post about Windler's relationships with his coaches like they know what actually happened. Or that people think player development at the pro level is heavily affected by the team's head coach. Dudes, dogs wag tails. Consider Varejao. Silas would barely even play him for his first few weeks as a Cav. Then Varejao started tearing off great plays and earned his minutes. Or Chubb under Hue Jackson. Good players earn their minutes even when the head coach doesn't know what he's doing. Force feeding minutes to a guy that isn't going to cut it isn't going to make him good. Forcing a player to work on his weaknesses during game time at the pro level only makes a player better when the coach is an internet genius at a keyboard. Truth is very few players are good enough to play at a pro level and most guys washout. It would be great if Windler can figuratively rebound to find his stroke again, but if he misses time because of another fracture or major surgery, his NBA career is probably done for. No one can play ball when their bones keep breaking, and the coach doesn't have a lot of say in that matter.

Anyway, someone mention that AO's stroke looked like Ray Allen. I was thinking the same thing. They both can hit that high arcing rainbow from deep. They both look like they are always balanced when they leave their feet. They both have such a consistent release that's almost uncanny, like a basketball shooting robot. AO is going to make shots at the pro level. If AO learns to handle the ball 1/5 as well as Allen (and doesn't come down with Windler's breaky bone syndrome) he's got an NBA career.