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Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

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How many games does the NFL want to inflict

  • 6 + Fine

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • 8

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • 10

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • 12

    Votes: 9 17.0%

  • Full Season

    Votes: 37 69.8%
  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
NFLPA should offer 4 games plus a $10.5M fine which is the equivalent of what Deshaun Watson was paid for sitting out all of last season.

The 4 games are equal to what Ben got on his appeal of 6 games for a violent act. What Deshaun Watson did was nonviolent.

The $10.5M fine would serve as a retroactive suspension since that's all of what he made sitting out a full season. It would also be the largest fine ever for an NFL player.
 
DJTJ said:
So, like, when Jerry Jones was sued for allegations of sexual assault, including insertion?
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Yes. But I don't even remember when that was, or how clearly proven it was. But in any case, sure. If you can find comparable conduct for which there was similar evidence, you should see the owner punished more.

But that doesn't apply to organization criticisms, or likely claims of poor supervision, management, etc., Which are some of the things that some folks may be bringing up.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Yes. But I don't even remember when that was, or how clearly proven it was. But in any case, sure. If you can find comparable conduct for which there was similar evidence, you should see the owner punished more.

But that doesn't apply to organization criticisms, or likely claims of poor supervision, management, etc., Which are some of the things that some folks may be bringing up.
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Wasn’t targeting you directly, was just trying to clarify that the difference has happened, but not penalized! Did so poorly lol
 
Los216 said:
NFLPA should offer 4 games plus a $10.5M fine which is the equivalent of what Deshaun Watson was paid for sitting out all of last season.

The 4 games are equal to what Ben got on his appeal of 6 games for a violent act. What Deshaun Watson did was nonviolent.

The $10.5M fine would serve as a retroactive suspension since that's all of what he made sitting out a full season. It would also be the largest fine ever for an NFL player.
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Good luck w that one boss. Never met a human in existence willing to pay 10.5 million to play a couple extra games.
 
Lee said:
He has ties to the league as the used him in Elliot's case, but he is a Columbia law school grad and the first black Attorney General of NJ

He seems qualified to me. We can pick apart any choice, but with his preivious ties and the fact he is a distinguished lawyer, seems like an obvious and fair choice
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Eh, I'd disagree. Anyone the NFL appoints is likely going to rule in the NFL's favor.

I'd go so far as to say appointing him was strategic on the NFL's part. The fact that he's a member of the NFL's diversity advisory committee could be a preemptive shield against any racial discrimination lawsuits the NFLPA lobs at the NFL in federal court. Not that such a lawsuit would have a good chance of sticking, but having the appeal designee be a guy who they can point to as being "fair" and "experienced" in those matters helps paint a good picture for them.
 
Lee said:
they should accept 8 games and a fine, if that ends in a lawsuit, the NFLPA is wrong
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The NFL isn't interested in fairness, so why should the NFLPA? The appointed third-party read their rules, used Goodell's own wording in her reasoning, and came to a conclusion. Instead, they want a severe penalty that has never been implemented before because... reasons?
 
Lee said:
If a former federal judge then a former state attorney reviewing her decision is a sham to you, then nothing the NFL would of done would of pleased you.

I get the track record of the NFL is horrible, I hate Goodell, but if i am trying to be unbiased, both people they have in place seems reasonable.

The main reason Peter C Harvey is associated with the NFL was because he was part of the committee they brought in place to get more minority representation. I am fine with the choice.
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My beef is with the criminal process; there needs to be a review of the DA's performance in this case and what did the grand jury actually see evidence wise.

Miss Sue & monsieur Petey = the curtain that Rog's standing behind. As I've stated from the start as long as Rog has final say, it doesn't matter who they trot out there.

I bet ya that Alvin Kamara gets less than 8 games, 4-8 range. The public doesn't care about violence, see Juwan Howard's "slap" or Will Smith; its becoming the norm.
 
CuriousMinds said:
My beef is with the criminal process; there needs to be a review of the DA's performance in this case and what did the grand jury actually see evidence wise.

Miss Sue & monsieur Petey = the curtain that Rog's standing behind. As I've stated from the start as long as Rog has final say, it doesn't matter who they trot out there.

I bet ya that Alvin Kamara gets less than 8 games, 4-8 range. The public doesn't care about violence, see Juwan Howard's "slap" or Will Smith; its becoming the norm.
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It was two grand juries. Are you under the assumption there were videos or some thing out there? Outside of testimony from the accusers, what do you think they didn’t see? The only other thing they would’ve had was any text/social/email records, or everything Robinson and the NFL had access to.
 
CuriousMinds said:
My beef is with the criminal process; there needs to be a review of the DA's performance in this case and what did the grand jury actually see evidence wise.

Miss Sue & monsieur Petey = the curtain that Rog's standing behind. As I've stated from the start as long as Rog has final say, it doesn't matter who they trot out there.

I bet ya that Alvin Kamara gets less than 8 games, 4-8 range. The public doesn't care about violence, see Juwan Howard's "slap" or Will Smith; its becoming the norm.
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He didnt rise to the level of something that can be proven in a criminal court, so what?

He broke the NFL's conduct policy not criminal policy. 2 different things.

They waited to see if charges. I get what you are saying, but a violent act against 1 person vs a non violent sexual assault vs 24?

Its not black and white, and everyone will look at things different, but at the very least what Watson did deserves suspension.

to say a non violent sexual assault of 24 vs a violent vs 1 has weight or difference is hard to pinpoint value to each.

In the end Watson was dumb and frankly a creepy asshole. He deserves punished, i will wait to see what the arbitrator says.
 
CBBI said:
Anyone holding out hope that this is going to be an unbiased ruling is really lying to themselves.

The NFL wouldn't have brought in anybody to make this decision that wasn't going to be favorable to them. C'mon now.
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I am holding out hope, he is connected with the NFL, but he has an impressive track record

I dont know what the end decision is going to be, but Goodell removed himself from the decision, that alone is a step in the right decision.

Honeslty anyone not waiting to see how it turns out is being as biased they claim Peter C Harvey is going to be.
 
They appeal a former federal judge's ruling and then they hand the appeal over to a former DA as if trying to replicate the third-party system that was implemented with Robinson. I am so confused.
 
Lee said:
He didnt rise to the level of something that can be proven in a criminal court, so what?

He broke the NFL's conduct policy not criminal policy. 2 different things.

They waited to see if charges. I get what you are saying, but a violent act against 1 person vs a non violent sexual assault vs 24?

Its not black and white, and everyone will look at things different, but at the very least what Watson did deserves suspension.

to say a non violent sexual assault of 24 vs a violent vs 1 has weight or difference is hard to pinpoint value to each.

In the end Watson was dumb and frankly a creepy asshole. He deserves punished, i will wait to see what the arbitrator says.
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We need a point system. How many handjobs does an individual need to solicit until their crime is equal to domestic assault? We can use Deshaun and Ray Rice as the baseline:

50 points = 1 game suspension

Domestic abuse w/o footage = 100 points
Domestic abuse captured on film = 850 points

The NFL believes 24 unwanted sexual advances is equivalent to 1 domestic abuse incident captured on film - ergo each incident individually is totaled at 35 points. I assume the league would always look to round up to nearest full game in the future.

Now we just need to determine the dollar value exchange rate for each point. Of course to do that we’d need access to the behind the scenes investigation into the Washington Commanders.

*Of note - 8.5 sexual advances on contractors is equivalent to the first positive test proving the use of PEDs.
 
Triplethreat said:
Good luck w that one boss. Never met a human in existence willing to pay 10.5 million to play a couple extra games.
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I agree.

If Watson's options end up being 12-game suspension and a huge fine or a full season suspension and no fine, he's not going to pay the league for the privilege to play. Especially not when a 12-game suspension would mean this season won't accrue.

Where it is gets interesting is if the league offers less than 12 games in addition to the large fine.
 
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