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Did Koby Altman nail the rebuild?

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Green Lantern said:
Glad you know nothing can be done..but as usual something can get accomplished.
I have seen enough teams do things when it appeared they were handcuffed. Even prior Cavs teams have done things when it was said they couldn't.
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They made trades. Cavs never got any value out of buyouts, second round picks, ect
 
Green Lantern said:
I would agree with the first part..however I would have loved to have heard someone ask him that since he said at the trade deadline he wanted to see what he had in terms of the bench players if he stands by that NOW.
There is no way he could be satisfied with what was on display. He has to upgrade that bench,,he needs shooters and physical players, which are not on this team. Does mean he has to jettison everyone? No, but at least 3 of those guys need to go.
Oh and I don't see what impact all those cooks have in the kitchen..soup boiling over, meat and veggies undercooked ...yada yada..you need all those assistants ???
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I think it can get too easy to keep guys at the end of the bench around because they are good enough to be that 12-15 spot on the roster. Koby really didn't attack the draft after his top picks outside of the KPJ draft and the most recent draft. If he has gone after 2nd round picks in the Sexton, Okoro, and Mobley drafts we might have hit on players and had better depth.

We left development minutes on the floor because we just didn't get enough guys in early enough. We now will have to hope for players that we took in the 2022 draft to break into a better team to get minutes while our coaches might be less tolerant of mistakes.
 
inliner311 said:
I think it can get too easy to keep guys at the end of the bench around because they are good enough to be that 12-15 spot on the roster. Koby really didn't attack the draft after his top picks outside of the KPJ draft and the most recent draft. If he has gone after 2nd round picks in the Sexton, Okoro, and Mobley drafts we might have hit on players and had better depth.

We left development minutes on the floor because we just didn't get enough guys in early enough. We now will have to hope for players that we took in the 2022 draft to break into a better team to get minutes while our coaches might be less tolerant of mistakes.
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Focusing on the 2nd round comment you made, I wonder about that.
He did not attack the 2nd round..it escapes my memory cmments he made but it certainly sounded like it wasn't that valuable to him.
I've seen a lot of 2nd round picks pan out over the years.
 
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HammerGold said:
They made trades. Cavs never got any value out of buyouts, second round picks, ect
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I think if we want at shot at a decent wing with our MLE, we need Mitchell, Mobley, and Garland to recruit guys that we can potentially afford. I have no faith that Koby can get someone in free agency on his own with how badly he struck out in 2021.
 
Cavs have:
MLE 12 mill (should get us a better 7/8 than what we have)
BAE 5 mill
4 mill trade exception

6 million to buy picks (we should buy as many as possible and draft and stash or take shots). We need as many darts as possible. We should really bring Travers and Diop over as developmental.
 
Dr. Claw said:
It was to the point of no return and Love was still playing as he had been before the playoffs in Miami.
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But how he just played in that Bucks series proved that it wasn't to the point of no return. Either JBB's evaluation of Love and/or his handling of Love was wrong.

Spoelstra obviously saw something JBB missed. He gave Love enough minutes to overcome the effects of the injury, and that enabled Love to make major contributions as a starter to a team that just beat the No. 1 seed.

The bottom line is that the Cavs got it wrong, and the Heat got it right.
 
A more settled personality would acknowledged their poor play and took the benching, knowing in their heart that they would likely play again later in the season and on into the playoffs as Wade was exposed (who had to be given a chance, due to the totally unnecessary extension Altman gave out).

A feeling of loyalty to the team that maxed him out; a team on the threshold of making the playoff first the first time since his team won the championship could perhaps overcome the hurt of the benching, buoyed by the confidence that, when it came down to it, he would indeed make a difference. Just as his game has just recently begun to come around, the same phenomenon could have benefited CLE.

But no, the mental anxiety became too much; the is Kevin Love we're talking about. It's really only about the next contract anyway. He formally asks for the buyout. Once he did that, game over.

And, I hope Love ain't expecting that number retirement ceremony any time soon. Should have took that ass to the Western Conference.
 
CommD said:
A more settled personality would acknowledged their poor play and took the benching, knowing in their heart that they would likely play again later in the season and on into the playoffs as Wade was exposed (who had to be given a chance, due to the totally unnecessary extension Altman gave out).

A feeling of loyalty to the team that maxed him out; a team on the threshold of making the playoff first the first time since his team won the championship could perhaps overcome the hurt of the benching, buoyed by the confidence that, when it came down to it, he would indeed make a difference. Just as his game has just recently begun to come around, the same phenomenon could have benefited CLE.

But no, the mental anxiety became too much; the is Kevin Love we're talking about. It's really only about the next contract anyway. He formally asks for the buyout. Once he did that, game over.

And, I hope Love ain't expecting that number retirement ceremony any time soon. Should have took that ass to the Western Conference.
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it was part of JBB's job to know both 1) the personality of the player , 2) the importance of him being a playoff contributor. He failed, and it cost us.

Whether Love was right or wrong doesn't matter. He's not one of the paid key decision makers for the team, and he's not the guy who's going to be making player decisions moving forward. JBB is, and that's why his failure is more relevant to the future of the Cavs than any fault on the part of Love.
 
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The Human Q-Tip said:
it was part of JBB's job to know both 1) the personality of the player , 2) the importance of him being a playoff contributor. He failed, and it cost us.

Whether Love was right or wrong doesn't matter. He's not one of the paid key decision makers for the team, and he's not the guy who's going to be making player decisions moving forward. JBB is, and that's why his failure is more relevant to the future of the Cavs than any fault on the part of Love.
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My contention is that the Coach made the right move at the time, based on the circumstances. More importantly, a veteran such as Love should know that nothing is set in stone; injury and performance result in a fluid environment. By asking for the buyout, Love was bailing on the team, and had to go.

It was Love, the max-level player, who made the call. Another choice was possible, but he is Kevin Love.
 
Koby dont tie yourself to JBB, have some balls
 
I bet he's going to regret waiting until January next year to fire JBB. He's too loyal. The type of guy who lets his wife cheat and then begs for her to come back.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
But how he just played in that Bucks series proved that it wasn't to the point of no return. Either JBB's evaluation of Love and/or his handling of Love was wrong.

Spoelstra obviously saw something JBB missed. He gave Love enough minutes to overcome the effects of the injury, and that enabled Love to make major contributions as a starter to a team that just beat the No. 1 seed.

The bottom line is that the Cavs got it wrong, and the Heat got it right.
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The bottom line is neither Koby or JBB had any concern about actually winning in the first round of the playoffs, their goal was satisfied to just get there. It was more important to them to get there with their young core that apparently has miles of "runway", and Love had no place with that group since he's in the swan song of his career.
 
CommD said:
My contention is that the Coach made the right move at the time, based on the circumstances. More importantly, a veteran such as Love should know that nothing is set in stone; injury and performance result in a fluid environment. By asking for the buyout, Love was bailing on the team, and had to go.

It was Love, the max-level player, who made the call. Another choice was possible, but he is Kevin Love.
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Love had absolutely zero reason to "know that nothing is set in stone". JBB told him he was out of the rotation and gave him zero reason to think he'd ever get back into the rotation, because JBB is only concerned with getting young guys "experience" as a part of their "runway".

What Love does know is he only has a few years left and he wants to make the most of them. It flat out wasn't going to happen in Cleveland with JBB. So he went where his ability and experience were needed and appreciated, because again that was not the case under JBB.

I can only assume you're probably one of the people who wanted Love gone a long time ago, this move met your preference, so you're going to condone it and put it completely on Love because it fits your narrative. Because it's crystal clear any objective observer that Love was given no choice if he wanted to ensure he would get a chance to remain viable as a player for as long as possible.
 
buzzdog said:
Changing the topic somewhat as I'm sick of the non-stop rant over the Donovan Mitchell trade...

IMO part of this team under-performing in the finals goes all the way back to Koby Altman lowering the bar on expectations. Altman constantly extends the runway to contention with his statements, he constantly lowers the standard of expectations for how much and how soon this team can be expected to contend. He is the one setting the tone for these players being content with getting their asses kicked because "inexperience". Altman has inferred that this season was a success just because we got to the playoffs, he's got zero expectations of actually winning a series because our baby boys are just too damn wet behind the ears. JBB picks right up on that and he coached like that, and that attitude of low expectations and zero pressure goes right through to the comments from Mobley and Garland after their ass whuppin. They seem WAY too at ease with how shitty they played, because they always knew all along that just getting to the playoffs was all Altman and JBB expected out of them. It's all good, don't want to upset anyone by putting any pressure or expectations on them, God forbid. This attitude came right from the top.
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Quoting myself here, I made this comment the night before Koby's press conference. He confirmed and verified everything I thought about his attitude towards the first round of the playoffs. He was happy to just hand out participation trophies to the whole team, getting there was the goal, winning wasn't. I expect him to soon be announcing the date for our "We Won 51" parade down Euclid.
 
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