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Lauri probably comes back and looks like a good player but I highly doubt he’s an all star in Cleveland this past season.

what?

how in the world do you come up with this? why on earth would lauri not have been the same player? the snow is different in utah than cleveland? maybe the utah altitude gave mark a discernible advantage but you can also make a case that playing alongside a superior garland as opposed to conley negates the difference.

bottom line is this.

koby altman failed on properly assessing the value of future all star lauri markennan in the donovan mitchell trade

and thats fukn that.
 
what?

how in the world do you come up with this? why on earth would lauri not have been the same player? the snow is different in utah than cleveland? maybe the utah altitude gave mark a discernible advantage but you can also make a case that playing alongside a superior garland as opposed to conley negates the difference.

bottom line is this.

koby altman failed on properly assessing the value of future all star lauri markennan in the donovan mitchell trade

and thats fukn that.
Because he wouldn’t have had the same role or an entire game plan built around him.

Hell, if the Cavs had given up Love and 1st for Harrison Barnes like you suggested, Lauri may have even been the 3rd big to start the season.

He was much more of a 4 in Utah this season than a 3.
 
Because he wouldn’t have had the same role or an entire game plan built around him.

Hell, if the Cavs had given up Love and 1st for Harrison Barnes like you suggested, Lauri may have even been the 3rd big to start the season.

He was much more of a 4 in Utah this season than a 3.


His USG% went from 19.5% in Cleveland to 26.6% in Utah.

It's just pure conjecture to say Lauri would have even had the opportunity to take the leap he did in Utah if he hadn't got traded. There's nothing to suggest that Lauri's usage would have increased a full 7 points here.

But hindsight remains 20/20.
 
His USG% went from 19.5% in Cleveland to 26.6% in Utah.

It's just pure conjecture to say Lauri would have even had the opportunity to take the leap he did in Utah if he hadn't got traded. There's nothing to suggest that Lauri's usage would have increased a full 7 points here.

But hindsight remains 20/20.

I think Lauri got more touches because he was faster and more explosive from the start of the season from how he changed his body in the offseason. I think it was easy for the Utah coaches and players to recognize they needed to get Lauri the ball because he was getting open and making plays. I don't think they went in intending to feed him but he had clearly made a leap and it was clear that he needed to get the ball more.

I think if he was on the Cavs, it would have been similar. His leap is made during the summer playing for his national team and transforming his body. He would have come in looking different and more confident. I think even our coaching staff would have recognized that and allowed him to take a more prominent role.
 
Because he wouldn’t have had the same role or an entire game plan built around him.

Hell, if the Cavs had given up Love and 1st for Harrison Barnes like you suggested, Lauri may have even been the 3rd big to start the season.

He was much more of a 4 in Utah this season than a 3.

guys can make the leap their second season on a new team and there is nothing to say that lauri couldve spent 20 at the three and 15 at the four which is what i suggested he would play this season prior to the trade.


you have your opinion about the trade and i have mine. fortunately well know in less than three months how its all going to go down after free agency where some people here are already believing that a mitchell trade has to be explored....which is failure in whatever the cavs get back for donovan.

the trade to me is an inveivtable failure because of what i believe is going to happen this off season with the inability for cavs to get anything of value in free agency. the only question now is the extent of said failure. although it was a different era, markennan put up mvp dirk numbers last year. if he can do it again next year after teams have an entire off season to break down the tape then the cavaliers have arguably traded prime dirk nowitki along with three first round picks, first round pick agbaji and the rights to colin sexton(first round pick) for donovan mitchell

thats horrible

it could very well could go down as one the worst trades in the 2020s if not the worst.

now, does anyone see anyway that the cavs, without any picks and with no intention of going into the tax next season, see a way on how they are going to convert 19mm(12mm and cedis 7) into a 20 minute big off the bench, a back up point guard and a 35 minute starting small forward to bring cleveland back into contention?

and thats if okoro can give them 20 off the bench as a playoff rotational player next year and levert or an equivalent signs a contract. what if levert walks?

its not looking good....its not looking good at all.
 
guys can make the leap their second season on a new team and there is nothing to say that lauri couldve spent 20 at the three and 15 at the four which is what i suggested he would play this season prior to the trade.


you have your opinion about the trade and i have mine. fortunately well know in less than three months how its all going to go down after free agency where some people here are already believing that a mitchell trade has to be explored....which is failure in whatever the cavs get back for donovan.

the trade to me is an inveivtable failure because of what i believe is going to happen this off season with the inability for cavs to get anything of value in free agency. the only question now is the extent of said failure. although it was a different era, markennan put up mvp dirk numbers last year. if he can do it again next year after teams have an entire off season to break down the tape then the cavaliers have arguably traded prime dirk nowitki along with three first round picks, first round pick agbaji and the rights to colin sexton(first round pick) for donovan mitchell

thats horrible

it could very well could go down as one the worst trades in the 2020s if not the worst.

now, does anyone see anyway that the cavs, without any picks and with no intention of going into the tax next season, see a way on how they are going to convert 19mm(12mm and cedis 7) into a 20 minute big off the bench, a back up point guard and a 35 minute starting small forward to bring cleveland back into contention?

and thats if okoro can give them 20 off the bench as a playoff rotational player next year and levert or an equivalent signs a contract. what if levert walks?

its not looking good....its not looking good at all.
This take is more pessimistic than any other on the board. Why so mad?
 
This stuff about how Lauri would have been a mediocre player if he stayed here is an even harsher judgement on the Cavs organization than criticizing the trade is.

Lauri is a whole hell of a lot easier player to develop offensively than Mobley is, so I guess shit is hopeless with Mobley.
 
I definitely think people were expecting too much. I viewed this team's max potential as the divisional playoffs. We weren't making the conference finals folks. Just watching them play this season, you could see the struggle.

Between JBB, roster construction, young players not fully grown. As I said before, your not defeating the empire with farm boy Luke which is Mobley or ESB Luke, which is Garland. Both need to continue working on their game. Garland needs to mature now into ROTJ Luke while Mobley becomes ESB Luke, with evolved skills. The difference in this series would have been huge.
May the force be with you, slut.
 
I definitely think people were expecting too much. I viewed this team's max potential as the divisional playoffs. We weren't making the conference finals folks. Just watching them play this season, you could see the struggle.

Between JBB, roster construction, young players not fully grown. As I said before, your not defeating the empire with farm boy Luke which is Mobley or ESB Luke, which is Garland. Both need to continue working on their game. Garland needs to mature now into ROTJ Luke while Mobley becomes ESB Luke, with evolved skills. The difference in this series would have been huge.
May the force be with you, slut.
 
Okoro, Wade, or Cedi instead should've been more than enough when attached to Lauri, Sexton, threw firsts, and two swaps.
Wait…..just to clarify. You think Danny Anige was going to send us a 26 point a game All Star for Okoro, Wade and Cedi (three of our most inconsistent shooters) and three FRPs?
Is that what you are saying?
 
@cavsfever has held a rational position since the beginning
What I dont understand is the revisionism thats going on now. We could've done it without Lauri?...Lauri has been reported by multiple sources as the key piece in the trade and why RJ Barrett isn't currently a Utah...Jazz.

LOL what? @cavsfever's position since the trade went down is that we could have found a way without Lauri.
 
A better position in terms of what?

Their record would have been worse, likely significantly worse. Sexton would have been an upcoming RFA or playing on a large extension. Agbaji likely wouldn’t have gotten many minutes considering how few he even got in Utah to start the season.
Even forgetting the Barnes trade, I don't think the Mitchell trade helped our record much. We won 44 games the year before and were on a pace to win 52 before 3/4 of the lineup ended up in the hospital over the last month and a half when we went 9-16. And that was with Sexton already missing almost the entire year. The league never really did figure out how to stop us with Lauri playing the 3, replacing him with Okoro destroyed our spacing and hurt our rebounding. Of course adding A superstar like Mitchell enabled us to win the close games, except of course for the fact we were among the worst in the league in close games.
 
Even forgetting the Barnes trade, I don't think the Mitchell trade helped our record much. We won 44 games the year before and were on a pace to win 52 before 3/4 of the lineup ended up in the hospital over the last month and a half when we went 9-16. And that was with Sexton already missing almost the entire year. The league never really did figure out how to stop us with Lauri playing the 3, replacing him with Okoro destroyed our spacing and hurt our rebounding. Of course adding A superstar like Mitchell enabled us to win the close games, except of course for the fact we were among the worst in the league in close games.
Just a couple points worth considering, we played a bunch of hurt/sick teams until we were the hurt sick team. It's hard to get a bunch of data from that year.

We were also by far the best team in overtime, which puts a different perspective on close games.
 

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