2023 Browns Off-Season Thread II: Free Agent Marathon: Settling in for the Long Haul: Slow and Steady: Patience is a Virtue: Loose Lips Sink Ships!

MGMT · May 26, 2023

CBBI said:
And Cooper had 1200 and 9.

On a significantly better yards per catch and yards per target.

*insert baseless and senseless rebuttal here just for the sake of offering it”

-single non threatening

Triplethreat · May 26, 2023

MirORich said:
But yet ended up with 717 and 3 because he couldn’t stay on the field.

And is not being 31 when this coming season starts and only healthy enough to start in 19 of his last 33 games a concern?

Are we also not going to account for playing under one of the most pass happy coaches in the NFL(4th in pass attempts per game) vs. Cooper playing under Stefanski(21st in pass attempts per game) with Jacoby Brissett throwing him the ball for the first 11 games?

Cooper is also two full years younger and has been available to his team 31 of the past 33 games vs Hopkins 20 of the past 33 games.

I’d take Hopkins if there was mutual interest and he chose us but you’re living in the past if you think he is currently an absolute step up from Cooper

He was suspended?

I think DeAndre Hopkins is an overall better player than Amari Cooper this next season. It’s not a ridiculous or unreasonable assumption.

Ya’ll love to take someone’s opinion and make it into factual statements.

Vee-Rex · May 26, 2023

Kind of depends on what Hopkins wants. If (and a really huge if) he didn't ask for a lot, I'm absolutely all for bringing him in.

He's still a really good receiver and if Watson returns to form, I could see him having a big year. We all got big hopes for DPJ but I'm not completely sold on him. He still has to prove it.

Hopkins, Cooper, and Moore as our primary 3 receivers sounds awesome.

Out of the Rafters at the Q · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
Lol unfortunately, no, no he is not.

Hopkins was pacing for about 1300 and 6 last season…

Los, is that you?

Hopkins was less productive than Cooper last season.

Hopkins was less productive per snap than Cooper was last season.

Hopkins was less productive per target than Cooper was last season.

Hopkins is a contested catch monster, but he doesn't really get open anymore. He wasn't even in the same class as Amari last year, and now he's older and more injured with whatever his knee issues were at the end of last year.

And in case you like PFF grades:

Out of the Rafters at the Q · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
Ya’ll love to take someone’s opinion and make it into factual statements.

Hey, can you remind me what the last post you made before this was? Was this it?

CBBI · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
He was suspended?

I think DeAndre Hopkins is an overall better player than Amari Cooper this next season. It’s not a ridiculous or unreasonable assumption.

Ya’ll love to take someone’s opinion and make it into factual statements.

It isn't this so much as you just don't like it when people present you factual information that refutes what you say.

MGMT · May 26, 2023

Out of the Rafters at the Q said:
Los, is that you?

Hopkins was less productive than Cooper last season.

Hopkins was less productive per snap than Cooper was last season.

Hopkins was less productive per target than Cooper was last season.

Hopkins is a contested catch monster, but he doesn't really get open anymore. He wasn't even in the same class as Amari last year, and now he's older and more injured with whatever his knee issues were at the end of last year.

And in case you like PFF grades:
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Y’all just love to refute opinions with factual information don’t you? Admit it.

Out of the Rafters at the Q · May 26, 2023

MGMT said:
Y’all just love to refute opinions with factual information don’t you? Admit it.

If any of you think that Nick Chubb is going to be better than Arian Foster in 2023, I'm going to ridicule you and say definitively that you're wrong.

I am then going to cry that I'm the victim if you respond to me. If you use facts and references, I am going to mock you for caring too much and making a big deal out of things. I might even throw in a "it's just my opinion!" or "It's just a joke bro!"

If you stay on my level and just say "nuh uh" then I am going to mock you for not having a real argument.

If multiple people point out the problems with this behavior, I am going to tell myself you're all just groupthink, echo chamber sheeple and sit back smugly in my chair--and there's NOTHING you can do about it. :celb (9):

PIP · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat · May 26, 2023

CBBI said:
It isn't this so much as you just don't like it when people present you factual information that refutes what you say.

Dude whether Amari Cooper or DeAndre Hopkins is a better WR is a complete matter of opinion and cannot be proven either way.

One played in a completely different system where he was maybe the only playmaker to give a damn about. The other in a system on the opposite end of the entire spectrum.

It’s such a clown show in here anytime I say anything which is why I have been staying away.

Selby · May 26, 2023

I think Hopkins is more name than talent at this point in his career. He is still a talented player and can contribute, but I don’t want us to overpay because of his name. If he has genuine interest in reuniting with Watson and is willing to take a reasonable deal, then you consider it.

CBBI · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
Dude whether Amari Cooper or DeAndre Hopkins is a better WR is a complete matter of opinion and cannot be proven either way.

One played in a completely different system where he was maybe the only playmaker to give a damn about. The other in a system on the opposite end of the entire spectrum.

It’s such a clown show in here anytime I say anything which is why I have been staying away.

Of course it's a matter of opinion. Just like us thinking Cooper's better is a matter of opinion too.

All we're doing is sharing our opinion that your opinion is not correct (the whole purpose of a message board mind you - share opinion and have others agree or disagree with it)

EDIT No personal attacks

PIP · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
It’s such a clown show in here anytime I say anything which is why I have been staying away.

Don’t let the haters get to you. Most of us love and appreciate your terrible takes…You’re welcome here anytime…

Keep ya head up, King!

Out of the Rafters at the Q · May 26, 2023

Triplethreat said:
Dude whether Amari Cooper or DeAndre Hopkins is a better WR is a complete matter of opinion and cannot be proven either way.

One played in a completely different system where he was maybe the only playmaker to give a damn about. The other in a system on the opposite end of the entire spectrum.

It’s such a clown show in here anytime I say anything which is why I have been staying away.

Not one person made a shittier response than your "Lol. No, no he is not"

If you don't like what's going on, fix the man in the mirror first

The Wizard of Moz · May 26, 2023

Dude there’s no world where Arian foster is better than Chubb next year get real

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