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2023 Cleveland Guardians Season Thread

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sportscoach said:
Kwan is staying in LF though... They aren't going to move a gold glove to position he's just average in... His minor league numbers, were average at CF... Yes he can play, but he lacks the foot speed of Straw and the route running that Brennan has normally. If you don't like it, then that's fine, we will see in a few years who is right with this argument...
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Not if they get a big bat in trade or promote Valera.

It's not going to take a few years to find out.
 
sportscoach said:
Kwan is staying in LF though... They aren't going to move a gold glove to position he's just average in... His minor league numbers, were average at CF... Yes he can play, but he lacks the foot speed of Straw and the route running that Brennan has normally. If you don't like it, then that's fine, we will see in a few years who is right with this argument...
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Unironically Brennan reminds me a lot of Brantley in the field. He has a good arm and his route running is fine after he figures out the ball is going but his jumps aren't good. Basically he looks better than he is because by the cameras are up he is doing what he's good at. I feel like RF takes advantage of his skill set a lot more but Kwan seems pretty good in LF too. Not sure what gives if Valera or whoever gets called up.

Straw I think rightly is playing CF by now.
 
CDAV45 said:
After watching Arias play 3B, SS, 1B and RF I'm learning to value the utility position. There's plenty of AB for Arias in that role. Hell, at this point he looks to be locking up RF so this conversation may be moot.
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A very intriguing player but looks like a career utility man. His career minor league numbers :269/325/410/735 are not good. It will be a challenge for him to just hit his weight(217 lbs)
 
MadThinker88 said:
Not exactly sure who you are meaning in this post.
But please do not think I was discounting the range of Arias or another aspect of Arias's ability at SS.
Arias has the ability to play SS at a higher level than Rosario.
Scary thing is other than arm, Rocchio could be even better defensively at SS than Arias.

I pulled out some of the preseason prospect books & ranking reports to illustrate what I mean.

Defensive grades for Rocchio / Arias by source
Prospect Digest: Rocchio with 60 grade defense, Arias with 50 grade defense
Baseball America: Rocchio with 60 grade fielding & 50 grade arm, Arias with 50 grade fielding and 55 grade arm
Prospect Live: Rocchio with 55 grade for field and arm, Arias with 55 grade for field and 60 grade for arm
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Do grades still go to 80 like the old days?

If so, I’d question anyone who sees Arias throwing the ball not giving him at least a 70 arm grade.
 
That Arias HR yesterday reminded me of when Bradley Zimmer would get hold of one and just launch it a mile. Hopefully Gilby has a better future here.
 
Mcreek said:
A very intriguing player but looks like a career utility man. His career minor league numbers :269/325/410/735 are not good. It will be a challenge for him to just hit his weight(217 lbs)
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You are forgetting to factor in Arias was usually one of the youngest player in the league he was in and he had injuries last year stemming from a broken hand cause of a HBP... Breaking a hand effects your bat a lot when you are coming back from it. Zimmer never actually 100% recovered from his hand injury...
 
Mcreek said:
A very intriguing player but looks like a career utility man. His career minor league numbers :269/325/410/735 are not good. It will be a challenge for him to just hit his weight(217 lbs)
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I feel like this is a poor way to look at things, because it’s not considering progression at all. You’re lumping in his numbers as a teenager just starting out to argue what he’d do now and I don’t agree with that.

As a 17 and 18 year old he was a .247/.305/.343 and only hit 6 home runs over 700 plate appearances. He’s clearly not that player anymore but you’re using those stats against the player he is now.

Just looking at his stats, his age 19 season appears to be when he became a bit of what he is now and from age 19 to age 22 in the minors he was a .280/.336/.447.

Coincidentally, that OPS production of .783 looks a lot like his OPS production since he became nearly an almost everyday player when Oscar was sent down on May 6th, as he’s posted .780 OPS production since then.
 
Big stretch for the Guardians coming up.
 
People who have seen Arias play SS a handful of times, claiming his defense Gold Glove level, seems to stem from their dislike of Amed Rosario than it does anything Arias has done on the field.



This is what’s driving the added playing time, and always will:

 
macbdog said:
That Arias HR yesterday reminded me of when Bradley Zimmer would get hold of one and just launch it a mile. Hopefully Gilby has a better future here.
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Similar tools minus the base stealing skills of Zimmer. Same type of hitter: all or nothing
 
Cleveland is the Reason said:
I feel like this is a poor way to look at things, because it’s not considering progression at all. You’re lumping in his numbers as a teenager just starting out to argue what he’d do now and I don’t agree with that.

As a 17 and 18 year old he was a .247/.305/.343 and only hit 6 home runs over 700 plate appearances. He’s clearly not that player anymore but you’re using those stats against the player he is now.

Just looking at his stats, his age 19 season appears to be when he became a bit of what he is now and from age 19 to age 22 in the minors he was a .280/.336/.447.

Coincidentally, that OPS production of .783 looks a lot like his OPS production since he became nearly an almost everyday player when Oscar was sent down on May 6th, as he’s posted .780 OPS production since then.
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His last year of AAA he hit .240/310/406

In 138 abs in the majors: .196/306/362

Don’t see this guy ever hitting enough to be an every day player
 
Mcreek said:
His last year of AAA he hit .240/310/406

In 138 abs in the majors: .196/306/362

Don’t see this guy ever hitting enough to be an every day player
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Probably, but this year has devolved into a developmental season, might as well run him out there every day to show what he's got.
 
Mcreek said:
His last year of AAA he hit .240/310/406

In 138 abs in the majors: .196/306/362

Don’t see this guy ever hitting enough to be an every day player
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Didn’t he break his hand last year? Don’t you think that plays a bit into those numbers? Do they also negate the prior year where in AAA he hit .284/.348/.454?

And again, he’s been a different player at the MLB when given consistent at bats. I’d be curious to see his MLB stats when given consistent at bats compared to when he was a part time player. That’s hard to do as a youngster just starting out at the MLB.
 
Mcreek said:
A very intriguing player but looks like a career utility man. His career minor league numbers :269/325/410/735 are not good. It will be a challenge for him to just hit his weight(217 lbs)
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His last year of AAA he had a broken hamate bone. We need to look at healthy, full seasons along with age and level. As a 19 yr old in A+ where the average age is 22 he hit 302/339/470/809. He never played a single inning of AA ball and as a 21 yr old in AAA he hit 284/348/454/802. His numbers are quite good actually.
 
Just a rough look. He has 161 career plate appearances.

He was an everyday player at the end of the season in 2022 over 37 plate appearances. He played in 10 consecutive games to end the year. He has 83 plate appearances where he has appeared in consecutive games this season.

Over those 120 plate appearances he has a .345 on base and a .410 slugging. So .755 OPS production when playing in consecutive games.

So process of elimination, he has 41 plate appearances where he has sat and then played, then sat again. Those 41 plate appearances he has a .195 on base and a .237 slugging. So .432 OPS production when he’s been a part time player.

Pretty apparent he needs to play everyday.
 
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