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2023-24 Season | Game #60 | Knicks @ Cavs | March 3, 2024 | 7:00 p.m.

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godfather said:
Read my post above, the trade was not about Mitchell. So what, we know he's the best player. The debate isn't is he good, or not. Or are we better with him. Of course we are.

Without him, I don't even think we are a playoff team (which is sad), and AGAIN, why the trade sucked!

You don't make that trade, unless you think you have a chance to compete for a title going forward. And unless you think we can (I think we can't, zero chance, nothing we can do literally), it was bad.

I know some will say, well, we couldn't if we didn't get him anyways.

BIG DIFFERENCE! You're not overhauling a significant amount of assets present, and future.

WE overhauled everything, and now we are just fucked! lol
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Putting ceilings on players at those ages, and with the current coach is quite the rush to judgment..
 
Ultimately, I think this team lacks a toughness that significantly lowers their ceiling. It's just not a mindset or attitude that they have and I don't think it's teachable. Your guys either have that or they don't. I think Donovan does, but who else has a competitive fire that you are confident taking into a playoff battle? Tristan? That's not going to cut it.

Building a team with a bunch of good dudes has turned out to be a bit of a double edged sword. You have a good connection, no worries about off court issues, but you are also prone to getting shoved around and punched in the mouth when all the chips are down.
 
DCTribefan said:
Your definition of a role player is quite different than mine. To me, LeVert is a role player. But whatever.
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What do you want me to define him as, a Cavs fan star? A star in Cav fan eyes, okay, cool.

Role player is what he is, that doesn't mean he sucks.

I did say I think he 'can' be an all-star in this league. He's not though. I don't hold it against him, like he's fail.

He's in his third year. He can get better.

Mobley is a good player right now. Let's not look at 'role player' like it means he's shit.
 
Rich said:
Honestly, the Mitchell trade can still be salvaged if he extends. If he does, Garland and Mobley are squarely on the block.

The team you saw with him as lead guard, playing like the best PG in the league...that team can exist again.
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Yes. Although I would say Garland and Allen. Mobley is under team control for much longer, and still has a higher potential than JA. Although JA is better right now. Evidence shows me JA does not care enough about winning. Goes through the motions too often. Looks disinterested.
 
Smooth said:
Strus, Wade and Niang combined for 6 points, -16, 2-14 from three and five rebounds in 65 minutes... If there's a place to point to where lack of production hurt, this is where it stands out most...
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Has Strus missed a game yet this season?
 
Pierre Pan said:

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Another hole in the playoffs along without a 2 way wing, physicality, perimeter D and a coach who can adjust on the fly. The top 5 things necessary for the playoffs and we dont check a single box
 
benchplayer said:
garland can get better, he just needs to go back to being aggressive:

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I don't think anyone has had their mouth wired shut and then played NBA basketball right after it too. I brought this up earlier; Haliburton has not been great lately... I wonder if there are a bunch of Pacers fans wanting to trade him for a bag of doritos and his contract. DG may not get back into full form this season...
 
redruM said:
Another hole in the playoffs along without a 2 way wing, physicality, perimeter D and a coach who can adjust on the fly. The top 5 things necessary for the playoffs and we dont check a single box
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Oh and lack of a superstar
 
godfather said:
To me it was never about Mitchell. It was how good the Cavs could be. And why Koby pulled the trigger.

I don't want to get in it too much, because I know it's been talked about a lot, and it just makes me too angry.

I think it was one of those very risky trades, and it badly backfired.

I'd make more sense to make this trade, when we had a better idea what we had. We had NO CLUE what we had.

Just because Garland had one good year, and Mobley, at least looked good in his rookie year? Koby went in prematurely, thinking we can win a title with Mitchell going forward with this unit.

He gambled on the upside of the current core, and lost.

In hindsight, it was a total disaster.

At the time, it was just a total risk. Too premature.. Everything mattered on how good Garland and Mobley would be.

We thought at least all-stars. We thought or hoped Mobley, superstar. If both those things were true, the trade looks different. Still way too much, but different.

It didn't turn out that way.

Now it's a disaster.

Garland has regressed. He's gotten WORSE. Mobley is not blossoming into a superstar. He's just right now a really good player. A role player, that's it.
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I don’t think it’s a “disaster” unless Mitchell doesn’t re-sign. Simple as.

I do think it wasn’t the slam dunk some around here made it out to be.
 
bushwick_bill said:
I don't think anyone has had their mouth wired shut and then played NBA basketball right after it too. I brought this up earlier; Haliburton has not been great lately... I wonder if there are a bunch of Pacers fans wanting to trade him for a bag of doritos and his contract. DG may not get back into full form this season...
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I wouldn't trade Garland, he's one of the players I consider untouchable.
 
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