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Browns stadium thread: To dome or not to dome

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Which would you prefer?

  • A $1B renovation of current stadium, no dome, and likely some city/state money

    Votes: 6 8.3%

  • A new domed stadium outside of downtown with mostly private money

    Votes: 63 87.5%

  • Move like Modell

    Votes: 3 4.2%
  • Total voters
    72
2 For The Brew said:
There was a failed countywide vote on a Skydome-like facility in the Eighties to be financed via property taxes. That would have been for both baseball and football. Orioles Park at Camden Yards changed thinking on dual purpose stadiums.
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Very true. Once cities began the separation of football stadiums from baseball, the smaller baseball facilities typically fit in urban areas and football stadiums moved to the outskirts of the county.

I think everyone here is also keenly aware that the game of football is changing. The rules rewarding high powered passing offenses and dual threat quarterbacks increase at the cost of physicality and defense. The Browns no longer have a "home field advantage" when the weather on Lake Erie becomes a major factor - it is instead a barrier to building a roster that can go all the way.
 
Lee said:
I think part of the problem with a dome on the lakefront is the land is too soft so it requires something crazy like an extra 500 million in costs.

Just put it by the airport and create a brand new party and destination area in cleveland. As long as it stays in the county it will be fine.
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It won’t be fine, it’ll further sprawl out the region and hurt the core (the city itself).
 
BMAN said:
It won’t be fine, it’ll further sprawl out the region and hurt the core (the city itself).
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Sorry man, but while overall I agree with this statement I don't think it applies here. I'm not in love with all the people building McMansions in Lake County as a tax loophole while complaining about downtown being unsafe. I hoped inner Cleveland would receive a reinvestment, and for the most part it has incrementally happened in places like Ohio City and Tremont.

If they were building a Browns dome in Lake County, I'd be furious. I haven't lived in Northeast Ohio in a long time, but it breaks my heart driving through and seeing the Parma Heights/Brook Park area falling apart. Those were thriving mid- century neighborhoods. They could get a shot in the arm while still lifting up the county as a whole.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Sorry man, but while overall I agree with this statement I don't think it applies here. I'm not in love with all the people building McMansions in Lake County as a tax loophole while complaining about downtown being unsafe. I hoped inner Cleveland would receive a reinvestment, and for the most part it has incrementally happened in places like Ohio City and Tremont.

If they were building a Browns dome in Lake County, I'd be furious. I haven't lived in Northeast Ohio in a long time, but it breaks my heart driving through and seeing the Parma Heights/Brook Park area falling apart. Those were thriving mid- century neighborhoods. They could get a shot in the arm while still lifting up the county as a whole.
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Disagree here, I still consider this to be sprawl. Hell, some of these cities should just be Cleveland proper. In my view, most suburbs and exurbs are leeches that have continued to slowly bleed this region.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Sorry man, but while overall I agree with this statement I don't think it applies here. I'm not in love with all the people building McMansions in Lake County as a tax loophole while complaining about downtown being unsafe. I hoped inner Cleveland would receive a reinvestment, and for the most part it has incrementally happened in places like Ohio City and Tremont.

If they were building a Browns dome in Lake County, I'd be furious. I haven't lived in Northeast Ohio in a long time, but it breaks my heart driving through and seeing the Parma Heights/Brook Park area falling apart. Those were thriving mid- century neighborhoods. They could get a shot in the arm while still lifting up the county as a whole.
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Parma Heights —- there’s a blast from my past. Lived there when JFK got shot.
 
BMAN said:
Disagree here, I still consider this to be sprawl. Hell, some of these cities should just be Cleveland proper. In my view, most suburbs and exurbs are leeches that have continued to slowly bleed this region.
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Solution is to do what Louisville and Toronto and Indianapolis and Philadelphia have done and create a metro Cleveland synonymous with the county. Not sure voters would be thrilled with that though.
 
BMAN said:
Disagree here, I still consider this to be sprawl. Hell, some of these cities should just be Cleveland proper. In my view, most suburbs and exurbs are leeches that have continued to slowly bleed this region.
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There's some truth in here even though it may come off string to some people
 
BMAN said:
It won’t be fine, it’ll further sprawl out the region and hurt the core (the city itself).
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Your opinion that sprawl is bad, but I live in Phoenix the poster child for Urban sprawl and the new stadium in the west valley happened while i was living here and it has done great for the west part of the valley (this town is phoenix and east valley only before the new football dome)

Considering Clevleand is a third the size of Phoenix area and it would stay in the same county, You are talking less than moving them 15 miles, to people in bigger cities 15 miles is nothing to move a stadium.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Sorry man, but while overall I agree with this statement I don't think it applies here. I'm not in love with all the people building McMansions in Lake County as a tax loophole while complaining about downtown being unsafe. I hoped inner Cleveland would receive a reinvestment, and for the most part it has incrementally happened in places like Ohio City and Tremont.

If they were building a Browns dome in Lake County, I'd be furious. I haven't lived in Northeast Ohio in a long time, but it breaks my heart driving through and seeing the Parma Heights/Brook Park area falling apart. Those were thriving mid- century neighborhoods. They could get a shot in the arm while still lifting up the county as a whole.
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You live in the SF area correct? We are in huge urban sprawl areas, we think like a true big city, Cleveland still has a small city feel at times mentality which 100% is part of its charm. It isnt perfect, but its a million times better than tyring to spend a billion on a stadium that wont get a dome in a city that needs a dome.
 
BMAN said:
Disagree here, I still consider this to be sprawl. Hell, some of these cities should just be Cleveland proper. In my view, most suburbs and exurbs are leeches that have continued to slowly bleed this region.
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We absolutely agree on the bolded. Call this: sins of our great great grandfathers. While Indianapolis and Pittsburgh annexed small suburbs into the city from the Civil War industrialization boom through The Great Depression, Cleveland chose not to do it.
 
2 For The Brew said:
Solution is to do what Louisville and Toronto and Indianapolis and Philadelphia have done and create a metro Cleveland synonymous with the county. Not sure voters would be thrilled with that though.
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Brook Park, Middleburg Heights, Brooklyn, Lakewood, Garfield Heights, Maple Heights, Warrensville Heights, Cuyahoga Heights, East Cleveland, Euclid, and Fairview Park should all be integrated into the City of Cleveland. They can keep their names and be classified the same way as areas like Tremont, Mt Pleasant, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, and Collinwood.

The Mayor's of those cities could form a larger City Council.
 
Lee said:
Your opinion that sprawl is bad, but I live in Phoenix the poster child for Urban sprawl and the new stadium in the west valley happened while i was living here and it has done great for the west part of the valley (this town is phoenix and east valley only before the new football dome)

Considering Clevleand is a third the size of Phoenix area and it would stay in the same county, You are talking less than moving them 15 miles, to people in bigger cities 15 miles is nothing to move a stadium.
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That’s the thing, Cleveland is smaller and will just further cannibalize existing entertainment districts in the city and area.
 
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