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narbar32 said:
Eh... I think I disagree. I don't necessarily want a security blanket for Byron to be able to go to during Waiters' "rookie moments." I'm hoping Waiters plays a ton and I think that, if Byron has a seasoned veteran guard on his bench who actually fills a very similar role to Waiters, Byron may find it too hard to resist the quick hook in favor of experience. I suppose Barbosa could be part of a frequently used and sometimes effective motivation technique -- if you don't move your fat feet on defense rather than just reaching, you're on the bench and Barbosa's in the game -- but I think I'd rather have that lesson taught, if necessary, with another quasi-developmental piece rather than a veteran guard like Barbosa.

In addition, Barbosa doesn't exactly strike me as the wizened old veteran with a ton of winning culture experience whose value comes from his role as a mentor. Outside of the successful Suns years -- where he wasn't exactly any sort of leader and they played a very different brand of basketball -- he's mostly just gone from paycheck to paycheck in irrelevant roles with irrelevant teams. His strengths aren't even really teachable assets; he runs fast and shoots well from deep.

I suppose he might be young enough still that he could end up sticking on the team in a Jason Terry-type role for the future competitive years, if that future comes perhaps sooner than expected. But I'd rather just cross that bridge (acquiring/designating our microwave) when we come to it, rather than likely increasing our short term success with likely short term pieces.
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I think we are missing the point on this one. If we bring him in on a one year deal, or even a deal with a team option or partial guarantee on year 2, then we add a valuable player. He would be a great addition on our team if we got Bynum, or he becomes a great trading chip at the deadline. On this team he could put up 15 - 18 points a game, can run the floor and will look good next to Irving. You are telling me, a playoff team would not want a player like this in February. A player averaging 16-18 points a game on an expiring deal is a great trade chip. It is all about trading chips.

Also, I agree we do not need to just add players to try and be better; we need to find players that are young with upside, or have value as a trading chip. If our FO has the mindset of, we should not add players so we can get a better lottery pick then we all are screwed. We want a FO that is smart, and will add the right pieces.
 
narbar32 said:
Eh... I think I disagree. I don't necessarily want a security blanket for Byron to be able to go to during Waiters' "rookie moments." I'm hoping Waiters plays a ton and I think that, if Byron has a seasoned veteran guard on his bench who actually fills a very similar role to Waiters, Byron may find it too hard to resist the quick hook in favor of experience. I suppose Barbosa could be part of a frequently used and sometimes effective motivation technique -- if you don't move your fat feet on defense rather than just reaching, you're on the bench and Barbosa's in the game -- but I think I'd rather have that lesson taught, if necessary, with another quasi-developmental piece rather than a veteran guard like Barbosa.

In addition, Barbosa doesn't exactly strike me as the wizened old veteran with a ton of winning culture experience whose value comes from his role as a mentor. Outside of the successful Suns years -- where he wasn't exactly any sort of leader and they played a very different brand of basketball -- he's mostly just gone from paycheck to paycheck in irrelevant roles with irrelevant teams. His strengths aren't even really teachable assets; he runs fast and shoots well from deep.

I suppose he might be young enough still that he could end up sticking on the team in a Jason Terry-type role for the future competitive years, if that future comes perhaps sooner than expected. But I'd rather just cross that bridge (acquiring/designating our microwave) when we come to it, rather than likely increasing our short term success with likely short term pieces.
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I tend to agree with you personally in the sense of not wanting Coach Scott to have a choice like Barbosa to use during Waiters "rookie moments". I'd live to see Waiters out there learning, getting a lot of minutes and just improving by playing the game of basketball. Where i waiver though is the mental make-up of certain players and not knowing what Waiters might bring. It sort of scares me also to think IF something happens in terms of injuries, we have a backcourt of Iriving and Pargo?

Also as Cavsfan85 said, adding quality depth could end up being a positive thing in terms of leverage for deals down the road. As long as we don't Damon Jones up the works and offer Barbosa a three year deal, i'm game.
 
I'm on board with Barbosa. Nice scorer off the bench, help the 2nd unit out alot imo.
 
warriorsz32 said:
I'm on board with Barbosa. Nice scorer off the bench, help the 2nd unit out alot imo.
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I'd love the 2007 Barbosa. The 2012 Barbosa doesn't thrill me nearly as much. The 2012 guy is now merely fast, while 5 years ago he was the fastest in the game. He hasn't made enough progress in the skill areas to compensate for that lost 1/2 step.
 
Forget Barbosa, let's go after Mickael Pietrus.
 
Ignoring the sarcasm potential in the peitrus remark, i don't think another guard is a need. It is all about the small forward at this point.
 
No sarcasm intended, I like Pietrus due to his experience level as well as his ability to play the 2 and the 3.
 
mcfly said:
No sarcasm intended, I like Pietrus due to his experience level as well as his ability to play the 2 and the 3.
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I liked Pietrus a few years back when he ruined us in the playoffs with his sharpshooting. In terms of good role players, i'd take him though. He's certainly an upgrade over Casspi --at least the Casspi we saw last year--
 
So I was agreeing the peitrus made some sense... But now that Miles is signed, I doubt we do anything that does not involve a sign and trade.
 
 
Alex Kennedy‏@AlexKennedyNBA

Jodie Meeks will officially sign his contract with the Los Angeles Lakers tomorrow morning. The two sides agreed to terms this afternoon.
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Solid signing.
 
Wow, the Lakers look good. Can Mike Brown put it all together though?
 
Hawkins said:
PF Thompson/Leuer/Samuels/Jones/Harangody
C Varejao/Zeller/Eric

That screams trade to me.
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Not sure about that.
The Cavaliers have Varejao, Thompson, Zeller, and a bunch of unknowns.
Samuels could be a factor, if he can keep the weight off.
Jones hasn't even signed yet. Will he sign, who knows?
Leuer, Harangody, Eric are all young guys with limited upside.
 
Small signing:

HoopsHype‏@hoopshype

E'Twaun Moore has agreed to a two-year deal with the Orlando Magic.
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