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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Because waiting since 1999 doesn't qualify as patience.
Because waiting since 1999 doesn't qualify as patience.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Like it or not, with a new head coach, completely new systems, and a new GM, it's gonna take some time.
I wish this fan base can stop using past regimes' mistakes to claim they already "know" how this one is going to go.
Like it or not, with a new head coach, completely new systems, and a new GM, it's gonna take some time.
I wish this fan base can stop using past regimes' mistakes to claim they already "know" how this one is going to go.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
I wish all the regimes would stop making the same mistakes then
I wish all the regimes would stop making the same mistakes then
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Eventually the people running this team are going to learn that they don't have time, and that cranking out one 5-11 and 4-12 season after another is simply going to get them replaced. It's worked that way every time since 1999.
One of the things this franchise has lacked is a sense of urgency. It's never about winning now, always about winning in two years, or three years. How many times do these nebulous long-range plans have to fail before we try something else?
Someone needs to come in here with the intent of winning as many games as possible right now. Not in two years, not in three years, now. Sitting on 30 million in unused cap space while running out guys like Buster Skrine and O'Neil Cousins... unacceptable. Will not work in the short or long term.
Eventually the people running this team are going to learn that they don't have time, and that cranking out one 5-11 and 4-12 season after another is simply going to get them replaced. It's worked that way every time since 1999.
One of the things this franchise has lacked is a sense of urgency. It's never about winning now, always about winning in two years, or three years. How many times do these nebulous long-range plans have to fail before we try something else?
Someone needs to come in here with the intent of winning as many games as possible right now. Not in two years, not in three years, now. Sitting on 30 million in unused cap space while running out guys like Buster Skrine and O'Neil Cousins... unacceptable. Will not work in the short or long term.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Still not seeing what it has to do with the current regime, which has 1 whole game under its belt....
1.) Free Agency is not how you build a championship contending team. Ask Pittsburgh, ask New England, ask pre RGIII Daniel Snyder. Hell, ask Phil Savage.
2.) O'Niel Cousins is starting because 2 of our guards got hurt. Damn Joe Banner for not foreseeing that during the off-season! We also went after a couple CB's during the off-season & got spurned by them. No need to overpay for talent that's not top tier.
3.) You don't think all the system changes, all the personnel changes, all the head coaching changes have something to do with at least a couple of those 4-12, 5-11 seasons? I sure as hell do. A consistent winning football team needs continuity. Changing head coaches every 2 years (not including the Shurmur situation), changes the systems, the personnel, the coordinators, damn near everything. So many changes over the course of 10-12 years will not make a successful franchise, I don't care which team you are.
4.) Like I said, it makes no sense to already "know" that this regime will make the same mistakes the others have. There's no rational thought behind it whatsoever. And no "This is Cleveland, the Browns, and it's the same crap we've seen for the previous 12-13 years" is not a rational thought after 1 game.
Still not seeing what it has to do with the current regime, which has 1 whole game under its belt....
1.) Free Agency is not how you build a championship contending team. Ask Pittsburgh, ask New England, ask pre RGIII Daniel Snyder. Hell, ask Phil Savage.
2.) O'Niel Cousins is starting because 2 of our guards got hurt. Damn Joe Banner for not foreseeing that during the off-season! We also went after a couple CB's during the off-season & got spurned by them. No need to overpay for talent that's not top tier.
3.) You don't think all the system changes, all the personnel changes, all the head coaching changes have something to do with at least a couple of those 4-12, 5-11 seasons? I sure as hell do. A consistent winning football team needs continuity. Changing head coaches every 2 years (not including the Shurmur situation), changes the systems, the personnel, the coordinators, damn near everything. So many changes over the course of 10-12 years will not make a successful franchise, I don't care which team you are.
4.) Like I said, it makes no sense to already "know" that this regime will make the same mistakes the others have. There's no rational thought behind it whatsoever. And no "This is Cleveland, the Browns, and it's the same crap we've seen for the previous 12-13 years" is not a rational thought after 1 game.
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MoFlo,
What it has to do with the current regime isn't necessarily that it's cause and effect that the last regime sucked so this one must too. It's that we've seen this so many damn times that we can recognize the pattern.
Sorry, but you didn't watch a QB that had legitimate wxcuses to perform that way. There's too many other QB's that come into the league with less and perform better. It's not like we watched the Browns get controlled by a good team. If that happened, you'd find a lot of people being somewhat satiafied with the result.
What we watched was ineptitude and series after series of embarrassing plays.
It should be easy to recognize by now.
What it has to do with the current regime isn't necessarily that it's cause and effect that the last regime sucked so this one must too. It's that we've seen this so many damn times that we can recognize the pattern.
Sorry, but you didn't watch a QB that had legitimate wxcuses to perform that way. There's too many other QB's that come into the league with less and perform better. It's not like we watched the Browns get controlled by a good team. If that happened, you'd find a lot of people being somewhat satiafied with the result.
What we watched was ineptitude and series after series of embarrassing plays.
It should be easy to recognize by now.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
This take stinks, IMO. Perhaps, front-office executives and NFL personnel know something we, the fans, don't know about building a team. Novel thought, eh?
The lucky teams get a quick result; mostly because they have personnel ready to make that jump. Most teams take time to develop into a solid, sustainable, respectable team... If they even make it. And then there stand the Browns (and the fan perception); people crying yearly, yelping for more change and immediate success because they already "know" how it all ends. And here we stand, roster turnover, new coach, new front office in their first game ending with the same shouts after the same result. It's been a decade plus and the cycle remains; many would call that insanity.
You call this high demands. I call this stupidity and a lack of understanding and a lack of knowing that you don't fully understand it. You don't have to spend your money on it, so don't. It just takes time.
This take stinks, IMO. Perhaps, front-office executives and NFL personnel know something we, the fans, don't know about building a team. Novel thought, eh?
The lucky teams get a quick result; mostly because they have personnel ready to make that jump. Most teams take time to develop into a solid, sustainable, respectable team... If they even make it. And then there stand the Browns (and the fan perception); people crying yearly, yelping for more change and immediate success because they already "know" how it all ends. And here we stand, roster turnover, new coach, new front office in their first game ending with the same shouts after the same result. It's been a decade plus and the cycle remains; many would call that insanity.
You call this high demands. I call this stupidity and a lack of understanding and a lack of knowing that you don't fully understand it. You don't have to spend your money on it, so don't. It just takes time.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
No, "stupidity" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "Stupidity" is thinking you can go 4-12 and 5-11 year after year and not have the fans lose patience. "Stupidity" is thinking you have five years to produce a winner when history has repeatedly shown that you don't.
You can whine all you want about how impatient the fans are. They are impatient. They aren't going to become patient. They aren't going to sit quietly and wait until the master plan to go 9-7 in 2016 comes to fruition. That's reality. Deal with it.
No, "stupidity" is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. "Stupidity" is thinking you can go 4-12 and 5-11 year after year and not have the fans lose patience. "Stupidity" is thinking you have five years to produce a winner when history has repeatedly shown that you don't.
You can whine all you want about how impatient the fans are. They are impatient. They aren't going to become patient. They aren't going to sit quietly and wait until the master plan to go 9-7 in 2016 comes to fruition. That's reality. Deal with it.
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Rapp...
Explain the Washington Redskins, Indianapolis Colts, Seattle Seahawks, Atlanta Falcons, San Francisco 49ers. Those are all teams that within the last few years went from garbage to an immediate turn-around.
Tell me what's stopped the Browns from being able to do what each of those teams has done.
Explain the Washington Redskins, Indianapolis Colts, Seattle Seahawks, Atlanta Falcons, San Francisco 49ers. Those are all teams that within the last few years went from garbage to an immediate turn-around.
Tell me what's stopped the Browns from being able to do what each of those teams has done.
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But the Redskins drafted RGIII, the Colts drafted Luck, the Seahawks drafted Wilson...
I see what you did there... Teddy Bridgewater 2014!
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Even if we get the top overall pick half the people here will want to trade out of that pick and acquire more "depth."
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Doubt it.
You've got literally nobody on board with Weeden and it's one game in. He'll improve this year, but it will be minimal and it certainly won't be enough to justify giving a 30 year old man 2-3 more seasons to develop. Weeden always needed to be ready made or he was a bad pick. It's become clear that he was a bad pick and I think we can all acknowledge it.
Highly doubt, after watching the guaranteed success Luck, RGIII and Kaepernick will have, you'd see anybody wanting anything other than to sell the farm to get Bridgewater. That is, assuming, Bridgewater is as highly touted as he is currently.
If it turns out Bridgewater is the guy, then I see no other option than to lose as many games as possible. I do not want to see another 5-11 year from 30 year old Weeden who will likely be reaching his ceiling this season or next. Just lose the games and let's get the one thing the Browns haven't had a single time in about 20+ tries: an NFL level Quarterback.
It remains unreal that no regime has been able to pull this off.
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Redskins: Got a potential hall of fame coach and won the RG3 sweepstakes. They didn't tear down, or need to tear down, what was already there.
Colts: Andrew Luck. I'm not sure how you can blame the Browns for not getting him. You get a stud QB, you're set. Most important position in sports.
Seahawks: Personally, I put this on getting lucky. Something clicked there with Russell Wilson and thats pretty much it. Don't know why the Browns can't make this happen, all things being equal. Maybe some Adderall.
Falcons: They haven't been all up, but getting Matt Ryan at, I think, four and signing Turner was huge there. They were a team that got screwed by having Vick taken away,.but they only had one real season of turmoil there. That's more of a re-fresh than a re-build.
49ers: I think they were fortunate to get a coach who was already living there and wanted to be the 49ers coach. That one has coaching written all over it. Make no mistake, though, they had a solid team there percolating. Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Joe Staley and Vernon Davis were already there and then they drafted Aldon Smith. Tell me there isn't some fortunate rolls of the dice there and I'm not sure what to tell you.
I'm not excusing the Browns' play, for the record. I'm pissed and it is shitty to have to deal with this year in and year out. I just have the ability to understand that it generally takes a shot in the arm for a team to make the jump. It usually doesn't just happen out of the blue, a year after a new owner bought the team and hired new personnel.
Also, the Browns are 0-1.