2019 Draft, Pick #30 - Kevin Porter Jr., USC

[ryanf]

He probably won't accept it but it's worth giving the option to his agent to pass on to him. Let his agent or people spin it. He can be the star of the g-league bubble.

If he wants to just play some basketball, it might be something he decides to do. That alone would be a step to get him back on the right path.

It doesn't help the organization if they just waive him. He has alot of potential. Even just bring his grade value up from nothing with help get some sort of asset for him.

And you think koby hasn't thought of this? The guy pulls off trades nobody anticipated and you're suggesting he hasn't thought of this???

How much more KPJ pandering will we see here?

 

[Nphan]

He probably won't accept it but it's worth giving the option to his agent to pass on to him. Let his agent or people spin it. He can be the star of the g-league bubble.

If he wants to just play some basketball, it might be something he decides to do. That alone would be a step to get him back on the right path.

It doesn't help the organization if they just waive him. He has alot of potential. Even just bring his grade value up from nothing with help get some sort of asset for him.

I agree and wants to keep him but in the bigger picture, the kid just looks like a culture killer. I just dont know how they can humble him. Hes extremely talented and that why i'm so pissed at his actions. Skys the limit but it just looks like he don't even care to play basketball while we have guys like Sexton & Okoro who lives in the gym and all about basketball. But yes if he accepts it, that would be HUGE but i just dont see it.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I'm saying if they want to keep him away from the team but not trade or waive him, give him the option to be able to go play in the g-league bubble. If he says no then just leave it alone but it's a chance for him to play organized basketball so it's an option for him. The NBA doesn't give any other options, we can't loan him out to some european or other overseas league.

What I'm saying is it's probably better to give his some options to play some sort of basketball instead of sitting around at home or going looking for trouble. If they give him the g-league option maybe his people or agent convinces him it's a good idea.

The Cavs have essentially stated that KPJ's behavior and disrespect for authority is something the organization doesn't tolerate. They literally put his shit in a box and escorted him out of the building. You don't ever come back from that with any organization.

Sending him down to the G-League so he can do the same shit to another coach who is part of the same organization would be lowering standards yet again. It would mean that no matter what he does, they'll never really get rid of him.

Let him go somewhere else - if he can find it - where his behavior is considered acceptable.

 

[daddywags]

Yes, right now I have to think they view him as a dangerous person to have in a locker room. And, frankly, based on what little we know (drugs, loaded gun, serious uncontrolled anger issues) I think that's an objectively reasonable concern.

 

[inliner311]

I agree and wants to keep him but in the bigger picture, the kid just looks like a culture killer. I just dont know how they can humble him. Hes extremely talented and that why i'm so pissed at his actions. Skys the limit but it just looks like he don't even care to play basketball while we have guys like Sexton & Okoro who lives in the gym and all about basketball. But yes if he accepts it, that would be HUGE but i just dont see it.

My thinking is you don't let him back with the team for at least the rest of the season because the culture is building well. That doesn't mean I would waive him or trade him away for nothing. I'd give it time to see if he can get his head right. Yes he has been bad for the last 6 months or so but we heard the complete opposite kind of stuff in his rookie season. There isn't usually quick and easy fixes for this stuff so really they shouldn't be making quick and easy decisions either. We truly don't know what kind of mental health stuff he is going through and when he might come around to wanting help. I feel the best bet is just to keep our options open with him and see where it goes.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I’m not waiving him and let him do what he wants to do while I say him his money!
I say try to trade him and during that time make him make the drive from home every day to the practice facility to work out with the strength coach or watch film! Make him earn his money while he sits!

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

@Cavatt

I thought about it some more, and I don't see how we can incorporate Porter again, or at least make it worth our while.

Reason is, we have established some sort of hierarchy and pecking order and will continue to improve in that regard till next season. We have Sexton as the leading scorer, Garland as the facilitator and a bunch of other ball handles and playmakers like Nance, Cedi, Dotson, etc.

If we tried to integrate Porter again, how would we be able to do that without hurting what we have created? There is a fragile balance that can't be disturbed. What I mean is that for Porter to be worth it for us, he would have to be incorporated as a lead guy rather than a role player. That in itself would push Sexton, Garland to the side...No? Do we want that?

 

[Cavatt]

@Cavatt

I thought about it some more, and I don't see how we can incorporate Porter again, or at least make it worth our while.

Reason is, we have established some sort of hierarchy and pecking order and will continue to improve in that regard till next season. We have Sexton as the leading scorer, Garland as the facilitator and a bunch of other ball handles and playmakers like Nance, Cedi, Dotson, etc.

If we tried to integrate Porter again, how would we be able to do that without hurting what we have created? There is a fragile balance that can't be disturbed. What I mean is that for Porter to be worth it for us, he would have to be incorporated as a lead guy rather than a role player. That in itself would push Sexton, Garland to the side...No? Do we want that?

Yeah, I get it. I am still just thinking about how well his talent fits the team if not his attitude. It is just a terrible shame.

I have a family member like this and it is heartbreaking. So fun and so amazing sometimes with these insane blowups where they literally want to ruin anyone having a good time.

I feel the same away about Drummond. He is so good sometimes and so good defensively, but his attitude last night was not loving the work his teammates were showing on the court. He could have been dancing and whooping it up, but he could only see what he WASN'T doing.

I kept thinking that if KPJ had been a part of that camaraderie there is no way be could behave like that, but Drummond proved last night that isn't true.

I really think KPJ might be an allstar level talent or maybe even better. Right now he is Dion Waiter or even worse, and he can't reach his potential with this attitude. I watched the Bickerstaff practice interview and they asked if the Cavs had done all they could. Bickerstaff said he believed they had done their best by Kevin. I will accept that.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Yeah, I get it. I am still just thinking about how well his talent fits the team if not his attitude. It is just a terrible shame.

I have a family member like this and it is heartbreaking. So fun and so amazing sometimes with these insane blowups where they literally want to ruin anyone having a good time.

I feel the same away about Drummond. He is so good sometimes and so good defensively, but his attitude last night was not loving the work his teammates were showing on the court. He could have been dancing and whooping it up, but he could only see what he WASN'T doing.

I kept thinking that if KPJ had been a part of that camaraderie there is no way be could behave like that, but Drummond proved last night that isn't true.

I really think KPJ might be an allstar level talent or maybe even better. Right now he is Dion Waiter or even worse, and he can't reach his potential with this attitude. I watched the Bickerstaff practice interview and they asked if the Cavs had done all they could. Bickerstaff said he believed they had done their best by Kevin. I will accept that.

Agreed.

I think he wouldn't have acted like that if we had incorporated him earlier. The issue is that he felt like an outsider and felt like he was no longer part of the core. Part of his group of friends.

I will not speak of his actions prior to that and whether our counter actions are warranted or not or if the org made good decisions leading up to that, cause that's not what this post is about; but more so about how I can sorta understand where his frustrations are coming from. He also dug his own grave.

I like the underdog story. I like players overcome their struggles whether they are physical or mental. I was rooting for the guy because I liked his fire, intensity and above all, I saw real all-star+ talent. The guy with the highest ceiling on the team.

Now it seems like an unsalvageable situation almost if you want to maintain balance. Which is a damn shame as we lost a great talent for nothing.

 

[Lee]

I'm thinking that the guy who went apeshit on the GM over a locker because it "disrespected" him wouldn't take too kindly to being demoted to the G League and their far shittier lockers.

On a positive note, I hear the sandwiches in the G-League are far more aerodynamic.

 

[inliner311]

Yeah, I get it. I am still just thinking about how well his talent fits the team if not his attitude. It is just a terrible shame.

I have a family member like this and it is heartbreaking. So fun and so amazing sometimes with these insane blowups where they literally want to ruin anyone having a good time.

I feel the same away about Drummond. He is so good sometimes and so good defensively, but his attitude last night was not loving the work his teammates were showing on the court. He could have been dancing and whooping it up, but he could only see what he WASN'T doing.

I kept thinking that if KPJ had been a part of that camaraderie there is no way be could behave like that, but Drummond proved last night that isn't true.

I really think KPJ might be an allstar level talent or maybe even better. Right now he is Dion Waiter or even worse, and he can't reach his potential with this attitude. I watched the Bickerstaff practice interview and they asked if the Cavs had done all they could. Bickerstaff said he believed they had done their best by Kevin. I will accept that.

I believe that the season isn't the time to bring him back into the fold because of his blow up. I think time could allow him to realize what he did and he finds someone to seek help from. Having friends with temper issues and mental health, they need to find that person to help them in a natural manner. Having things pushed on them never seems to work.

The off-season might be the time where you just say the gym is open to him to workout and slowly just let him get back with the team. Start out with very informal stuff and allow the players to get comfortable with him again.

Truly they need to find someone from his people that understands the situation and can bridge the gap. Who knows if that person exists or not.

I do think it can be salvage, he doesn't have to like everyone in the organization or on the team. If he has a group of guys and coaches he likes, it could work out.

 

[Cavatt]

I believe that the season isn't the time to bring him back into the fold because of his blow up. I think time could allow him to realize what he did and he finds someone to seek help from. Having friends with temper issues and mental health, they need to find that person to help them in a natural manner. Having things pushed on them never seems to work.

The off-season might be the time where you just say the gym is open to him to workout and slowly just let him get back with the team. Start out with very informal stuff and allow the players to get comfortable with him again.

Truly they need to find someone from his people that understands the situation and can bridge the gap. Who knows if that person exists or not.

I do think it can be salvage, he doesn't have to like everyone in the organization or on the team. If he has a group of guys and coaches he likes, it could work out.

I think I am having a hard time because if I saw the team having success like this, and there was a way I could be a part of it, I would just do it. He obviously doesn't have the self control.

For whatever reason, he can't make that commitment. We have him locked up for 2 years relatively cheap. I think very highly as a talent. IF you could keep him, but allow him to play in Europe or something and just view him as a draft and stash, it would be interesting. I know people are saying how valuable the roster spot is and I agree. Maybe he is thrown into a trade.

The worst part is that he fills a need badly. We need what he brings offensively.

 

[inliner311]

I think I am having a hard time because if I saw the team having success like this, and there was a way I could be a part of it, I would just do it. He obviously doesn't have the self control.

For whatever reason, he can't make that commitment. We have him locked up for 2 years relatively cheap. I think very highly as a talent. IF you could keep him, but allow him to play in Europe or something and just view him as a draft and stash, it would be interesting. I know people are saying how valuable the roster spot is and I agree. Maybe he is thrown into a trade.

The worst part is that he fills a need badly. We need what he brings offensively.

I don't see the roster spot as an issue. For maybe the first time in this rebuild the Cavs have playable guys top to bottom. If Delly can't get healthy, it might come a time where the organization need to talk about waiving him and bring him back as a coach. The longer he stays out the less likely he will be cleared to play again. That is a spot where there isn't depth.

The g-league is running as a bubble so it's going to be hard to bring guys up on 10 days if the whole g-league is running for 8 weeks.

I'm still surprised that the NBA hasn't added a IR spot. It seems like a very needed thing.

With Porter, I hope Jamal Crawford or someone he has a relationship with that has a good background in basketball reaches out to him. Someone like Crawford could have him as a workout partner and just keep him occupied.

 

[chuck0609]

I believe he’s been traded to Houston

 

[ohiorulez]