2020 Off-Season Rumors/News

[Urban]

OF was pretty damn good in 2017.

Brantley > Bruce
Austin Jackson
Chisenhall/Guyer

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

@Kiddo can you just admit to being a bandwagon fan so we can move on? “Did they win any rings?” Man what the fuck? So now the perquisite is to World Series before fans should show up. Before it was have 3 winnings seasons in a row. Talk about goal posts. Fucking terrible.

Don't forget the fans will show up once the Dolans spend more money

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Keep blindly following them and you'll keep being disappointed. They're not making the playoffs this year fellas.

It's not blindly following anything. It understanding same rather basic things, like understanding that revenue will dictate payroll size.

This isn't rocket science.

 

[AZ_]

Keep blindly following them and you'll keep being disappointed. They're not making the playoffs this year fellas.

You had your antiquated views heard and properly dismissed as nonsensical, now you're turning to this trollish nonsense about "blind faith" and some useless prediction nobody cares about.

Endlessly tired of people who can't discuss things on merit, and pivot to this nonsense version of deflection.

Cry and call people "blind followers" all you want, its bred out of having an argument you can't substantiate.

Your unwillingness to be even remotely reasonable doesn't make you smarter than anyone here.

 

[Kiddo]

You're wrong. And you've moved the goalposts away from platoons to this.

Your argument is bred out of frustration and a complete lack of understanding as to the current state of the league, or this team.



Sure they are, they were good enough to be within a pitch away. If you're good enough to get there, you're good enough to win. Period, full stop.

You're not being even remotely reasonable.

Fans that won't show up until they have some myopic view of whether or not they can win are EXACTLY the point. You're describing exactly what makes this fan base shitty.

I'd say lack of having outfielders locked into positions and platoon is basically the same conversation. Yeah my argument is bred out of frustration of always seeing our best players leave because we can't sign them. Sure, they were one pitch away from winning the world series but since then other teams have gotten better and we've gotten worse.

 

[Kiddo]

@Kiddo can you just admit to being a bandwagon fan so we can move on? “Did they win any rings?” Man what the fuck? So now the perquisite is to World Series before fans should show up. Before it was have 3 winnings seasons in a row. Talk about goal posts. Fucking terrible.

I've been a loyal fan my whole life but watching all our great players leave one after the other sucks.

 

[sportscoach]

@Kiddo ill be honest with ya, I have no love for @AZ_ but in this argument he is right. Don’t argue with legit facts that the Indians have won 90+ games in three seasons and haven’t had a losing year (under 500) I believe since Francona been in town. Record wise we have been the best team in baseball overall in that time period yet we are in the bottom ten in attendance during this time. As an owner I am not sure what you are supposed to do about the roster payroll wise if people aren’t showing up and that’s an important revenue for a market that doesn’t take in a ton of money.

Also platoons can be better than one average player since a guy like Luplow had an OPS of over 1.000 against lefties. Shoot my rosters on the console games are always top 5 in batting average and whatnot because I take advantage of splits and platoon guys. When you have guys who hit one side of plate well and not the other and you put them working together covering a position they actually have all star numbers almost every single season. Look it up.

I am not saying you aren’t a fan or anything, but your expectations of what a small to mid market team can do roster wise is a bit over the top. You have to be a wizard to essentially make a smaller market team keep winning games even when you have good attendance (which is a big source of revenue) Also you forgot to factor in this off season we no longer have a minority owner so that actually takes away from what we are spending. Plus how much we spend doesn’t say if we are winners or loser, look at the Rays, they had about half our payroll and were a scary team last year and will have the same payroll again and will be scary again. Spending money isn’t always how you win, it’s how you draft and develop. We have a projected 90+ win team with two free agents on the 40 man roster right now. That’s a pretty damn good job by the FO of running this team.

 

[Huber.]

Point taken, but its no different here than anywhere else outside of the major markets.

And that's why they have the money to spend, and the Indians don't. You're just sort of reinforcing the point that markets dictate spending.

But the Indians WIN regardless, so this should be a moot point. Cleveland, of all places, should embrace the underdog story.

The Indians are in a league of their own and it's hard to compare them to other markets

Declining population
An owner who the fans hate
No WS titles since the 40s
Multiple disappointments
Cold Weather for 3 months of the year
A ballpark that everyone has experienced many times
The majority of the fan base with money lives 40+ minutes away


The closest I can think of is KC but their fans showed up in '14/'15 only to be repaid by blowing up the roster because of funding issues. Even after the fans showed up.

 

[Kiddo]

OF was pretty damn good in 2017.

Brantley > Bruce
Austin Jackson
Chisenhall/Guyer

Right and not a single guy you mentioned is still on the team. Every year it's 4-5 new guys in the outfield.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

I've been a loyal fan my whole life but watching all our great players leave one after the other sucks.

No one is saying it doesn't suck, it's about understanding reality and learning to live with it. Luckily we have a FO that understands the revenue limitations and is working within it.

 

[AZ_]

I'd say lack of having outfielders locked into positions and platoon is basically the same conversation. Yeah my argument is bred out of frustration of always seeing our best players leave because we can't sign them. Sure, they were one pitch away from winning the world series but since then other teams have gotten better and we've gotten worse.

Being frustrated because the league has no salary restrictions isn't the fault of the Dolans, or the Indians.

It doesn't excuse the obvious falsehoods in your argument, or misconceptions that have been explained a dozen times.

None of it is an excuse for fans to not show up, ever. It's a horrendous argument.

 

[Lee]

Don't forget the fans will show up once the Dolans spend more money

Do you really believe this? Indians were WS contenders 3 or 4 years in a row and the fans didn't show up.

 

[Kiddo]

You had your antiquated views heard and properly dismissed as nonsensical, now you're turning to this trollish nonsense about "blind faith" and some useless prediction nobody cares about.

Endlessly tired of people who can't discuss things on merit, and pivot to this nonsense version of deflection.

Cry and call people "blind followers" all you want, its bred out of having an argument you can't substantiate.

Your unwillingness to be even remotely reasonable doesn't make you smarter than anyone here.

Yeah that post wasn't necessary. It's not a useless prediction when your 2 rivals in the division have both gotten better but our team has cut payroll.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Do you really believe this? Indians were WS contenders 3 or 4 years in a row and the fans didn't show up.

He's joking. To add to the jokes that "we'll show up when they win" and "we'll show up when they spend", neither of which happened. People won't magically show up under new owners either. What he was getting at.

That portion of the Indians fan base needs to take a good long look at themselves in the mirror. The Dolan scapegoating for not showing up and supporting the team won't be around forever. Potentially sooner than later too.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Do you really believe this? Indians were WS contenders 3 or 4 years in a row and the fans didn't show up.

you completely read that wrong