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@Andrew Scheid

A slightly off the topic question for you, have you ever tried to run the Indians in console games (especially MLB the Show 18 or 19) and tries to keep all the star players that you like?

Honestly to run a smaller market team you have to constantly extend guys early, avoid overpaying in free agency and draft/sign/trade for young players really well. Also when guys come to be free agents/become expensive contract wise, if their are top tier guys, you have to let them walk/trade them otherwise you lose money in other positions.

Plus we have two factors going against us this off season, first attendance is a big thing for money, we cannot be in the 20s for attendance and stay at 15th in payroll. It just doesn’t make sense to anyone who owns anything. Secondly we lost our minor owner, who did put out some money to help pay for the team. So our budget will decrease a fair amount.

I get what you are saying about not reinvesting that money but honestly we have a 90+ win team right now so it’s not like they actually have very many holes to fill in. I personally feel a veteran setup man is first priority over an OF even though people are like we don’t have anyone to be projected over this level.

Oscar Mercado had the same WAR as Ozuna did last season. Luplow in 85 games had a WAR of 1.7 (between a minor league stint, injury and only face left handers) Ozuna had a 2.2. Both are superior defenders as well. DeShields is a gold glove OF, so he’s a great 4th OF. We need production from one of the other guys, hence why we are likely platooning on paper Luplow with Bauer/Zimmer (left handed bat) and possibly DeShields and Allen (Allen doesn’t hit lefties well, DeShields doesn’t hit righties well). We are going to be a lot better than paper projects.

Now I think everyone here wants another player mixed in that’s a veteran, but at the moment none of them are at the price that makes sense for the team. I trust this FO, so you need to as well. It’s hard to like the owner in a small market, but we have one of the best FO in any sport who play the market game well. If you don’t like Dolan, I get that, but trust in those guys at least.

I feel what’s the plan is the FO is going to continue to try and upgrade this roster until the trade deadline. They aren’t going to just spend money needlessly though. They have a budget on which they feel a player is worth. Ozuna isn’t worth 18 mil and that’s plain and simple. Dickerson who was a better fit and player but he got offered more years than the Indians wanted to give because they really only needed him for one season.

Right now they are deciding on whether or not Puig and who else is available is better than production wise than who they have and worth the price he is asking for. Right now Puig wants way too much money so they aren’t willing to sign him. Also we need a veteran LH bat if we are going to sign an OF with the current projection on paper. We have three locked in RH bats, no LH bats so that is who they want on a major league deal and there isn’t one left in free agency that fits the current mold.

Now I can expect Lonnie Chisenhall, Souza Jr, Zobrist, Pence etc have all been offered Minor league Invites with incentives and an opt out. So unless Puigs price drops, we are going to bring in someone via minor league deal to see if they can fill in the void of Naquin.

They are going to try and sign more players, but they aren’t going to overpay like you wish them too for a guy. That’s how the FO operates and if you cannot respect one of the best FO in all of pro sports then please watch another team in a sense.
 
No one would have signed him off that QO. They also weren’t going to spoil his long term earnings potential, they owed him that much.

But had they offered him the QO you’re now left with a guy who didn’t want to be there with a lot of pull in the locker room while you’re trying to win a title. Not a good combo. Could they have tried to do that and win him over? Maybe, but his coaching staff and teammates weren’t the problem so it wouldn’t have done much.

If the coaching staff and his teammates weren’t an issue, then was it solely the city/fanbase that caused him to want to bolt?
 
If the coaching staff and his teammates weren’t an issue, then was it solely the city/fanbase that caused him to want to bolt?
My guess would be the medical/training staff had a role in it. But, I'm sure the reaction he received from fans being injured and then having his option picked up didn't help matters.
 
Guys, great discussion, but let's watch the tone/personal attacks. If someone is bugging you, putting them on ignore is the best way to deal with it.

I do appreciate the restraint some of you are showing. If you find someone's posts repeatedly frustrating, just accept the fact that probably isn't going to change and move on. I don't want to slip back into the "you're too dumb to post here" attitude that got out of hand in the past.

I'd also suggest that if someone is pushing a point with which nobody else is agreeing, it's best to just move on rather than to keep repeating it.
 
No one would have signed him off that QO. They also weren’t going to spoil his long term earnings potential, they owed him that much.

But had they offered him the QO you’re now left with a guy who didn’t want to be there with a lot of pull in the locker room while you’re trying to win a title. Not a good combo. Could they have tried to do that and win him over? Maybe, but his coaching staff and teammates weren’t the problem so it wouldn’t have done much.

I find that extremely hard to believe, especially with the recent changes in compensation. AJ Pollock got a 5 year deal after rejecting the QO and it seems like Brantley may have taken a discount to go to Houston.
 
Doesn't the contract have to be at least $50 million for there to be a compensation draft pick?

Never mind, looked it up, just changes where the draft pick is.
 
Doesn't the contract have to be at least $50 million for there to be a compensation draft pick?

Never mind, looked it up, just changes where the draft pick is.

• A team that receives revenue sharing will lose its third-highest selection in the following year's Draft. If it signs two such players, it will also forfeit its fourth-highest remaining pick. If that team loses a free agent, it will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A if -- and only if -- the lost player signs for at least $50 million. If the lost player signs for less than $50 million, the team's compensation pick would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.
 
If the coaching staff and his teammates weren’t an issue, then was it solely the city/fanbase that caused him to want to bolt?

Combination of things. I believe, just from hearing things from some people and piecing stuff together, he didn’t feel valued within the franchise.

Wanted to be offered a contract extension after the 2017 season, wasn't. Saw one of his closest friends have the same thing happen to him the year prior with Lonnie, which in hindsight was a good move.

Then toss in the souring from the botched rehab and time he missed because it wasn't handled well by all parties involved, the fan reaction to picking up his option, and it was just time for him to move on. He enjoyed who he worked with because he felt very valued (by far the most respected guy in our locker room during Tito's time with us), but he didn't enjoy who he worked for because it was the exact opposite feeling.

Hard to blame either party on this one too. Lot of uncertainty about how his game would look post surgeries, a risk the Indians couldn't take due to their limitations, but by the time it became clear that he was going to be the same as he was before, the damage had been done.
 
I find that extremely hard to believe, especially with the recent changes in compensation. AJ Pollock got a 5 year deal after rejecting the QO and it seems like Brantley may have taken a discount to go to Houston.

It was the belief at the time from the front office that he would not receive a deal had he been offered the QO. Hindsight will always suggest otherwise, but they didn't have that luxury at the time.

Heard this same story from multiple people connected to the franchise/baseball in general, and that rarely happens.

He didn't want to be there, the Indians didn't want to burn bridges with a player they really enjoyed and that the clubhouse really loved having around, and you get your end result of not offering him the QO and letting him walk.
 
The Indians had the opportunity to extend a qualifying offer of 1 yr $18m to Michael Brantley last year. Brantley was a homegrown talent, is a superior player to Ozuna, and would've had draft pick compensation attached to him. They didn't.

It's certainly fair to be upset that they didn't extend that offer to Brantley, but knowing what happened last offseason, there should've been 0 expectation that they would have ever been in on Ozuna. The same applies to Castellanos
Brantley did not want to be here.
 
No one would have signed him off that QO. They also weren’t going to spoil his long term earnings potential, they owed him that much.

But had they offered him the QO you’re now left with a guy who didn’t want to be there with a lot of pull in the locker room while you’re trying to win a title. Not a good combo. Could they have tried to do that and win him over? Maybe, but his coaching staff and teammates weren’t the problem so it wouldn’t have done much.

Can you elaborate on why they "owed" him?
 
He probably wanted to play in a stadium thats full when they're contending.
Serious question, then why did he go to the Cobb County Braves? They built fucking Epcot around the stadium and still can't draw in the top 10 of MLB attendance.
 
Can you elaborate on why they "owed" him?

Not my story nor do I have any inside information, but here's my take: Brantley was one of the best outfielders in Cleveland in the past 30 years, was a 3x All-Star, Silver Slugger, MVP candidate, a fan favorite (at least in my eyes) and an all-around likable guy. The Indians did right by him because it was the right thing to do for a guy that put in almost a decade of good work for the franchise.
 

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