2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[DirtyDan]

As a bit of a silver lining to losing Sexton, this means we no longer have the security blanket of Sexton creating a 40% shot when there is nothing else. This is going to force shot redistribution to other players. I feel that Garland has deferred to him quite a bit over the last two years and Okoro as well. This is going to force both of them and our other young guys to really have to take more initative.

I also think this drops our ceiling a bit from a solid playoff team (6-8 seed) to a play-in team (8-10 seed) which is good for the tankathon heads.

Garland has already started to adjust. Last game he was way more assertive in attacking and calling his own number. Not a fan of the Curry like threes from almost half court and he's drifting a little bit on his shots, but he showing a bunch of promise.

Feel this is Garland's breakout year

 

[Mott the Hoople]

We need to acquire a point scorer if you want to win some games.
On the other hand, this is good news for those that want to tank the season.

 

[ryanf]

There was one really egregious one where Curry basically held Okoro on a screen then back cut him for easy points at the basket. That game taught me that Curry and Draymond are immune to fouls when their offense has so much movement that distracts the refs. (being optimistic that they are just missing these calls)

GS has been doing that since years ago. The thing is... all those holding is not classified as offensive fouls or illegal screens. Unless it's instituted in the rule book, they will get away with it.

The question is, why aren't other teams doing it?

 

[Dr No]

With Sexton out for the year and Okoro struggling mightily, we are now very, very thin at the 2 & 3. With Allen, Love, Mobley, Mark, Wade, and even Davis, we are well stocked at the 4 & 5. Between Garland & Rubio we are good at the 1. If there was a decent, affordable, veteran dude who could play the 2 or 3 available, it might be worth bringing him on board.

 

[DirtyDan]

GS has been doing that since years ago. The thing is... all those holding is not classified as offensive fouls or illegal screens. Unless it's instituted in the rule book, they will get away with it.

The question is, why aren't other teams doing it?

I mean look at 1:30 in the video. Curry doesn't get set for the screen then pushes Okoro before backdooring him. This kind of contact would probably be called a foul if the Cavs were attempting this.


If you are asking why more teams don't incorporate more actions away from the ball, then I agree. JBB needs to move on from coaching basketball clichés like playing faster or moving the ball to calling more creative plays to open three pointers for Garland/Windler and opportunities for Okoro at the rim.

Unfortunately, we don't have the coach or the personnel to fully take a advantage of a movement based offense. This roster has no vision other than playing big and JBB is nothing more than a rally the troops kind of coach. It's so annoying because there is actual talent here and I have no faith in the people in charge to make the most of this.

 

[ryanf]

I mean look at 1:30 in the video. Curry doesn't get set for the screen then pushes Okoro before backdooring him. This kind of contact would probably be called a foul if the Cavs were attempting this.


If you are asking why more teams don't incorporate more actions away from the ball, then I agree. JBB needs to move on from coaching basketball clichés like playing faster or moving the ball to calling more creative plays to open three pointers for Garland/Windler and opportunities for Okoro at the rim.

Unfortunately, we don't have the coach or the personnel to fully take a advantage of a movement based offense. This roster has no vision other than playing big and JBB is nothing more than a rally the troops kind of coach. It's so annoying because there is actual talent here and I have no faith in the people in charge to make the most of this.

GS gets away by toeing the line between what a screen is and what player movement is.

They also get away with their little tricks because they all know what the play is, they know exactly when to apply those tricks.

It's no surprise they are playing their best now after iguodala came back and oubre is gone. They need folks that execute the system and not call their number.

 

[Dual]

I guess after knowing that Sexton is out for the season, the Cavs will sign a good scorer from the Gleague right?

 

[Kouki]

GS has been doing that since years ago. The thing is... all those holding is not classified as offensive fouls or illegal screens. Unless it's instituted in the rule book, they will get away with it.

The question is, why aren't other teams doing it?

Of course they are fouls. It's the first definition of foul in the rulebook. Eg 1.A under fouls.

A player shall not hold, push, charge into, impede the progress of an opponent by extending a hand, arm, leg or knee or by bending the body into a position that is not normal. Contact that results in the re-routing of an opponent is a foul which must be called immediately.

Other teams do this, typical veteran teams.

 

[foucault87]

Garland has already started to adjust. Last game he was way more assertive in attacking and calling his own number. Not a fan of the Curry like threes from almost half court and he's drifting a little bit on his shots, but he showing a bunch of promise.

Feel this is Garland's breakout year

I disagree on the deep 3s. I actually think that is one of the most important skills in the modern nba. Its puts so much pressure on a defense if they have to defend you from half court. And you don't even need to shoot like Curry (40% bc hes the goat shooter). Even a Trae like 36% on those shots means you've got to commit to defending the guy at 40 feet. I love that Garland is willing to take and make those.

 

[Ramtheman93]

Some good news for Monday

 

[bleedwineandgold03]

Hell yea!!! Now start windier instead of Okoro

 

[Ozone]

I disagree on the deep 3s. I actually think that is one of the most important skills in the modern nba. Its puts so much pressure on a defense if they have to defend you from half court. And you don't even need to shoot like Curry (40% bc hes the goat shooter). Even a Trae like 36% on those shots means you've got to commit to defending the guy at 40 feet. I love that Garland is willing to take and make those.

when guard is shooting an inefficient % aka his point total is never much different than his shot attempt total he is a chucker and nobody is going to defend that all game unless he is making open looks at a higher rate from the jump. He had done that better when he picked his spots in a less attempt role but the Cavs always needed him taking more and now that Sexton is out they demand it. Problem is he is missing wide open shots now as much as contested one's . Pretty soon they will just play off him and make him pass which makes him nothing more than the table setter he has been until this season.

 

[Ozone]

Hell yea!!! Now start windier instead of Okoro

something happen to Okoro?

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Watch the video. It talks about why steph is arguably the best offensive player ever. All thr guys you listed were great scorers, but didn't have to triple team them away from the ball. I dont want to distract more in the Cavs season thread, but I think there is some really interesting dynamics about what steph means for a defense we can discuss in the 2021 NBA thread

Those players couldn’t be tripled team back in the day because zone defenses weren’t allowed. I’m not discounting Curry’s greatest (without a doubt the greatest shooter every to play the game) I’m just saying that with how the physicality has been taken out of today’s game and moving screens are rarely called it makes it easier for him to get to his spots on the floor.

 

[CavsKermit]

GS gets away by toeing the line between what a screen is and what player movement is.

They also get away with their little tricks because they all know what the play is, they know exactly when to apply those tricks.

It's no surprise they are playing their best now after iguodala came back and oubre is gone. They need folks that execute the system and not call their number.

Someday, Bickerstaff is going to realize that when screaming at the officials isn't working, setting really good hard screen on the other side of the court will help the officials find their whistles with the quickness.