2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[Ohioplayer00]

I want Reghi back!!

 

[cavsfever]

Bogey would be a great pickup. I was looking at the Cavs schedule and it really eases up. So much so that it wouldn’t surprise me if we’re atop the East by the end of February. We’re about to run off about 10 wins in a row as Memphis just did.

We might have a win streak later in the season but we definitely aren’t “about to” do that — three of our next five games are against the Nets, Bulls, and Bucks. So we have a bit more losing before we win.

TBH although I’m confident we make the playoffs I don’t think we reel off a huge win streak or compete for the top seed - we lack depth, are entirely reliant on Garland staying healthy, and our coach is not a very good game or lineup manager. That usually means you screw up somewhere along the way

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

If I had to guess, I'd say the 4 seed. Miami, Milwaukee, and Brooklyn being the 3 teams ahead of us in some order. I think we end up ahead of the Bulls.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Bogey would be a great pickup. I was looking at the Cavs schedule and it really eases up. So much so that it wouldn’t surprise me if we’re atop the East by the end of February. We’re about to run off about 10 wins in a row as Memphis just did.

Bogey is only shooting 41% from the field this year. I like Bryn Forbes, who we just played last night and scored 15 points in 17 minutes off the bench. Dude is shooting 41.7% on 3's and 90% at the line. He's 28 and playing on a one-year $4.5 M contract so he fits under the cap and there's no committment next year when Sexton returns.

San Antonio isn't making the playoffs and they have Walker and Vassell playing ahead of him. They shouldn't be asking much for Forbes.

Also, there's the small matter of Bogey being owed $18 million per year for the next 2.5 years.

 

[sailfish]

We might have a win streak later in the season but we definitely aren’t “about to” do that — three of our next five games are against the Nets, Bulls, and Bucks. So we have a bit more losing before we win.

TBH although I’m confident we make the playoffs I don’t think we reel off a huge win streak or compete for the top seed - we lack depth, are entirely reliant on Garland staying healthy, and our coach is not a very good game or lineup manager. That usually means you screw up somewhere along the way

The Nets aren’t playing all that great and just got blown out by OKC. LaVine just hurt his knee, which makes Chicago a very different team. The Bucks are the toughest of the three, but the Cavs are certainly capable of beating them, just as they are any team in the league

 

[sailfish]

Bogey is only shooting 41% from the field this year. I like Bryn Forbes, who we just played last night and scored 15 points in 17 minutes off the bench. Dude is shooting 41.7% on 3's and 90% at the line. He's 28 and playing on a one-year $4.5 M contract so he fits under the cap and there's no committment next year when Sexton returns.

San Antonio isn't making the playoffs and they have Walker and Vassell playing ahead of him. They shouldn't be asking much for Forbes.

Also, there's the small matter of Bogey being owed $18 million per year for the next 2.5 years.

Bogey has been banged up this year, but he’s an elite shooter. I’d much prefer the 6’6” Bogey over the 6’2” Bryn Forbes.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Here's an interesting look back, just so we realize exactly where we are, and how far we've come.

15 years ago the Cavs rolled out a team that looked like this:
Lebron
Eric Snow
Drew Gooden
Larry Hughes
Z

That team won 50 games that season. They won their 25 game of the season on January 26th. That team also went to the Finals. Loosing to the Spurs.
This years edition of the Cavs won their 25th game on January 14th.

Now I don't know if we're going to the Finals this year, but if you look at that old Cavs roster, I think LBJ is the only player that could hang with us.

 

[Prof123]

I honestly still can’t believe how this season has gone. And it’s not a fluke by any means. Somehow we are growing our own big 3. This is not lebron talking other stars to play together. This is a very young fun team that like each other.

Exactly right! While I am glad that the Cavs won a championship (it is the only time in my life that my favorite professional team has won a championship, and I'm 54!) with LeBron, Kyrie, and KLove, that year was not nearly as fun as this one. I detest the idea of stars getting together and going somewhere to win a championship. It is incredibly fun to draft and develop young players, to see them struggle, improve, and become stars.

Garland, Allen, and Mobley are still improving, and they are borderline all-stars now. I am 100% convinced that Sexton is good enough to be a key player on a championship team due to his work ethic and athleticism (I also think that watching this team while he rehabs will be good for him -- he will no longer have this false conception that he is the best player on the team, and he will accept his role as an important but not irreplaceable component). I also think that Okoro will keep improving offensively, even while his defense is what earns him minutes early in his career. With this young core, I don't think we will have any problem attracting solid veterans like Love and Rubio who fill out the rotation. Boston did this years ago with Bill Walton in the mid 80s and many teams have done it since.

We will also be able to draft guys late in the first round who contribute. Look at Joe Harris (still not sure why we let him go, and it is why I want us to be patient with Windler) and Christian Eyenga (okay, don't look at him). I think Dejounte Murray was drafted at the end of the first round, too. It will just be nice if we don't have to count on rookies to be instant contributors, and we let them grow into their roles.

Okay, so I rambled a bit from my initial point. In summary, this is fun and it is going to get better!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Exactly right! While I am glad that the Cavs won a championship (it is the only time in my life that my favorite professional team has won a championship, and I'm 54!) with LeBron, Kyrie, and KLove, that year was not nearly as fun as this one. I detest the idea of stars getting together and going somewhere to win a championship. It is incredibly fun to draft and develop young players, to seem the struggle, improve, and become stars.

Garland, Allen, and Mobley are still improving, and they are borderline all-stars now. I am 100% convinced that Sexton is good enough to be a key player on a championship team due to his work ethic and athleticism (I also think that watching this team while he rehabs will be good for him -- he will no longer have this false conception that he is the best player on the team, and he will accept his role as an important but not irreplaceable component). I also think that Okoro will keep improving offensively, even while his defense is what earns him minutes early in his career. With this young core, I don't think we will have any problem attracting solid veterans like Love and Rubio who fill out the rotation. Boston did this years ago with Bill Walton in the mid 80s and many teams have done it since.

We will also be able to draft guys late in the first round who contribute. Look at Joe Harris (still not sure why we let him go, and it is why I want us to be patient with Windler) and Christian Eyenga (okay, don't look at him). I think Dejounte Murray was drafted at the end of the first round, too. It will just be nice if we don't have to count on rookies to be instant contributors, and we let them grow into their roles.

Okay, so I rambled a bit from my initial point. In summary, this is fun and it is going to get better!

I agree about this season just being more fun because of the guys and how the team was developed.

Also, not having won a championship for so long added a nerve-wracking quality to those Cavs teams that made them less fun. Plus there was the "clock is ticking" component of LBJ being older. Always had the worst kind of knot in my stomach during the playoffs with that team..not to mention all the regular season drama.

This team has absolutely no pressure on it - it's like found money.

 

[Lee]

I'd love to have JaVale back. Give Allen and Mobley a break. Apparently JBB doesn't trust Ed Davis.

I dont think Trust is the word, with Mobley and Allen healthy, there are not minutes for Daivs...throw in Lauri and Love....all our big men minutes are taken, with Lauri mainly playing SF but some backup PF

 

[Lee]

Bogey has been banged up this year, but he’s an elite shooter. I’d much prefer the 6’6” Bogey over the 6’2” Bryn Forbes.

I am not sure I would take Bogey, he doesnt quite seem up to par. Seems like his stroke is a bit off.

 

[AMC]

I know this has been said so many times but man… Fred would’ve absolutely loved this team.

 

[Jontibs]

5-1 on a west coast road trip when the season easily could have taken a turn into painful territory.

I fear burn out for the likes of Garland and Mobley as we get towards the play offs but just enjoy the ride.

 

[Nphan]

Exactly right! While I am glad that the Cavs won a championship (it is the only time in my life that my favorite professional team has won a championship, and I'm 54!) with LeBron, Kyrie, and KLove, that year was not nearly as fun as this one. I detest the idea of stars getting together and going somewhere to win a championship. It is incredibly fun to draft and develop young players, to seem the struggle, improve, and become stars.

Garland, Allen, and Mobley are still improving, and they are borderline all-stars now. I am 100% convinced that Sexton is good enough to be a key player on a championship team due to his work ethic and athleticism (I also think that watching this team while he rehabs will be good for him -- he will no longer have this false conception that he is the best player on the team, and he will accept his role as an important but not irreplaceable component). I also think that Okoro will keep improving offensively, even while his defense is what earns him minutes early in his career. With this young core, I don't think we will have any problem attracting solid veterans like Love and Rubio who fill out the rotation. Boston did this years ago with Bill Walton in the mid 80s and many teams have done it since.

We will also be able to draft guys late in the first round who contribute. Look at Joe Harris (still not sure why we let him go, and it is why I want us to be patient with Windler) and Christian Eyenga (okay, don't look at him). I think Dejounte Murray was drafted at the end of the first round, too. It will just be nice if we don't have to count on rookies to be instant contributors, and we let them grow into their roles.

Okay, so I rambled a bit from my initial point. In summary, this is fun and it is going to get better!

I agree. I think the missing pieces are already on the team. The Cavs need another player who can create their own shot and that's Sexton. Then we have a crafty vet PG like Rubio too.

 

[rastamon87]

Cavs is a legit SG (secondary creator to Garland with consistent outside shooting) away from giving the top EC teams some heartburns...