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I'mWithDan said:
In this hypothetical, what do you personally feel is enough where you can't say no?

OKC figures out how to go from #6 to #4. Some future 1st to Toronto.

Their offer is #4, SGA, #16 and a future pick.

Lets say you can send SGA to any of these teams:

Orlando - #5 (we probably send some future asset)
Orlando - #8, future 1st
Golden State - #7, #14

Do any of these hypothetical pieces add up to enough for you?

Is #4 & #5 an automatic yes?
Is #4, #7 and #14 even better?
Or do you take #4 and #8 and bet on Orlando's perpetual suck?

I'm trying to put my finger on what asset collection makes me say "I love Mobley but fuck it, this is ridiculous, sure." :chuckle:
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Toronto could be a landing spot for SGA for #4. OKC might have to add alittle more but why wouldn't Toronto want SGA over Suggs. SGA is 3 years ahead in development and fits Toronto's current rosters window.

If OKC figures that trade out before and offers us #4, #6, and one of the later first round picks they have we have to definitely think about it. We secure Barnes for sure at #4 and #6 could be BPA. Suggs probably gets taken at #5.

If we want to get real greedy, I would even tell Presti to swap Love for Kemba. The chances we get something in terms of trade out of Kemba would be much higher than Love. Lakers probably give up Kuzma, KCP, and Horton-Tucker for Kemba.
 
inliner311 said:
Toronto could be a landing spot for SGA for #4. OKC might have to add alittle more but why wouldn't Toronto want SGA over Suggs. SGA is 3 years ahead in development and fits Toronto's current rosters window.

If OKC figures that trade out before and offers us #4, #6, and one of the later first round picks they have we have to definitely think about it. We secure Barnes for sure at #4 and #6 could be BPA. Suggs probably gets taken at #5.

If we want to get real greedy, I would even tell Presti to swap Love for Kemba. The chances we get something in terms of trade out of Kemba would be much higher than Love. Lakers probably give up Kuzma, KCP, and Horton-Tucker for Kemba.
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I thought the NBA draft was tomorrow?
 
I'm still looking for a mega-deal. OKC moves up one spot to #5 by giving the Magic #18. We trade the #3 (Mobley) and Sexton to OKC for Shai, the #5 (Barnes), and the #16.

OKC gets a replacement for Shai in Sexton. The Cavs get out of the two small guard problem. In order to swap Sexton for Shai (favors Cleveland), the Cavs swap #3 for #6 (favors OKC). But at this point I think OKC has the better of the deal since they got Mobley, so they have to throw in the #16.

OKC comes out with Sexton replacing Shai and they add Mobley. The Cavs swap Sexton for Shai and add Barnes and the #16. Heck, I might do this even without the #16 - I'm that high on Shai and Barnes.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I'm still looking for a mega-deal. OKC moves up one spot to #5 by giving the Magic #18. We trade the #3 (Mobley) and Sexton to OKC for Shai, the #5 (Barnes), and the #16.

OKC gets a replacement for Shai in Sexton. The Cavs get out of the two small guard problem. In order to swap Sexton for Shai (favors Cleveland), the Cavs swap #3 for #6 (favors OKC). But at this point I think OKC has the better of the deal since they got Mobley, so they have to throw in the #16.

OKC comes out with Sexton replacing Shai and they add Mobley. The Cavs swap Sexton for Shai and add Barnes and the #16. Heck, I might do this even without the #16 - I'm that high on Shai and Barnes.
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Not to disappoint you, but it's not gonna happen. No team is going to make the type of offer it would take for the Cavs to move off of the 3rd pick. To give you an idea, this is what it would take:

1) a top 5 pick this year.
2) a future 1st, with very limited protection, if any.
3) someone to take Love's contract off of our hands.
4) a quality veteran player.

OKC is the closest to making it happen, but they lack a top 5 pick, which really hurts their chances.
 
I have no idea if Mobley wants to avoid Houston because of KPJ. I do think Koby values one aspect of roster construction - a positive culture. He’s assembled young players who want to work at getting better and put business before pleasure while staying out of trouble. In other words, they act like professional men. I respect our guys a LOT for being so young and mature. That’s not a replacement for talent but that attitude means players can reach their potential, push each other, and grow together as a team.

I don’t agree that our #1 priority now is to win games. It’s to develop our young talent as indivuduals and see how they play together. We will likely have to make trades to refine the roster. We still need more talent even after we draft (hopefully Mobley). We’re still very much in workshop mode but if we continue to draft at an above average level and coach these guys up we’ll get there. Less than three months and we’ll be back to watching hoops.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I'm still looking for a mega-deal. OKC moves up one spot to #5 by giving the Magic #18. We trade the #3 (Mobley) and Sexton to OKC for Shai, the #5 (Barnes), and the #16.

OKC gets a replacement for Shai in Sexton. The Cavs get out of the two small guard problem. In order to swap Sexton for Shai (favors Cleveland), the Cavs swap #3 for #6 (favors OKC). But at this point I think OKC has the better of the deal since they got Mobley, so they have to throw in the #16.

OKC comes out with Sexton replacing Shai and they add Mobley. The Cavs swap Sexton for Shai and add Barnes and the #16. Heck, I might do this even without the #16 - I'm that high on Shai and Barnes.
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That's not even close to enough,,there are a good number of OKC fans if you get on their forums who would give up 4 first rounders from the stash they have just for Mobley.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I'm still looking for a mega-deal. OKC moves up one spot to #5 by giving the Magic #18. We trade the #3 (Mobley) and Sexton to OKC for Shai, the #5 (Barnes), and the #16.

OKC gets a replacement for Shai in Sexton. The Cavs get out of the two small guard problem. In order to swap Sexton for Shai (favors Cleveland), the Cavs swap #3 for #6 (favors OKC). But at this point I think OKC has the better of the deal since they got Mobley, so they have to throw in the #16.

OKC comes out with Sexton replacing Shai and they add Mobley. The Cavs swap Sexton for Shai and add Barnes and the #16. Heck, I might do this even without the #16 - I'm that high on Shai and Barnes.
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Why would you want to give OKC the best player of the entire group? The NBA is a "star's league." The Cavs should hold on to the one who is about to drop into their laps.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Moving my post to the draft thread.... :chuckle:
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Peacedog said:
Why would you want to give OKC the best player of the entire group? The NBA is a "star's league." The Cavs should hold on to the one who is about to drop into their laps.
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You have assumed that Mobley will be a star and that Barnes will not be. Shai is already a star. If the Cavs have Barnes rated as highly as Mobley then it would be a fantastic trade. Garland/Shai/Barnes/Okoro/Allen is a pretty ridiculous and versatile core if even one of Okoro or Barnes can be capable 3 pt shooters.
 
Peacedog said:
Why would you want to give OKC the best player of the entire group? The NBA is a "star's league." The Cavs should hold on to the one who is about to drop into their laps.
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I happen to think Shai is already a star and Barnes will be one. You can't get those two without giving up a lot.

I don't see this deal actually happening because OKC has the 6th pick and Barnes won't get past five from everything I'm seeing. Some NBA execs have Barnes in the top four. Unless he drops to 6 or OKC can move up a spot, it won't happen.

Also, because there are only five players on the floor at a time as opposed to nine or eleven in the other major sports, one great player has more value in basketball than elsewhere so it makes less sense to trade down. But if the Cavs believe they can't get to where they ultimately want to go with a Garland/Sexton backcourt and if OKC is willing to trade Shai (which they reportedly are), then I would be willing to upgrade from Sexton to Shai at the 2 in return for a downgrade from Mobley to Barnes at the 4, as long as OKC is willing to throw in something else, like their #16 or #18 pick.
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I happen to think Shai is already a star and Barnes will be one. You can't get those two without giving up a lot.

I don't see this deal actually happening because OKC has the 6th pick and Barnes won't get past five from everything I'm seeing. Some NBA execs have Barnes in the top four. Unless he drops to 6 or OKC can move up a spot, it won't happen.

Also, because there are only five players on the floor at a time as opposed to nine or eleven in the other major sports, one great player has more value in basketball than elsewhere so it makes less sense to trade down. But if the Cavs believe they can't get to where they ultimately want to go with a Garland/Sexton backcourt and if OKC is willing to trade Shai (which they reportedly are), then I would be willing to upgrade from Sexton to Shai at the 2 in return for a downgrade from Mobley to Barnes at the 4, as long as OKC is willing to throw in something else, like their #16 or #18 pick.
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How do you think Shai will feel about being traded to Cleveland? Didn't want to be here so they drafted Sexton.
Why would he want to be here now?
 
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