2021 NBA Offseason Thread

[natedagg]

Things that stick out from B-Ball Reference that I stumbled upon, having watched 0 NBA games. Please discuss, add more, etc. Obviously it's early but fun to think about: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_per_game.html
1. Jokic. Holy. Top assist guy in the league. 24/12/13. Just wow. Next best big is Juilus Randle at 7.5, also very impressive for him. Next highest Center is Plumlee @ 4.8. But Jokic is rocking 6 turnovers a game so something to keep in mind...
2. In what can only be deemed an excellent start, Garland (along with SGA) are the only 2 young guys at the top of the APG leaderboard. Like the guys ahead of garland are mid 30's (excluding Jokic). The point is, when you think APG, and you think low turnovers, and ball-handling duties, it's WAY early, but DG has potential to stick around with SGA, Luka, Fox, Trae. So it's early, but it's promising. If you were a casual non-Cleveland fan and you sorted by assists, Garland would stick out with a bunch of all stars. MIP?
3. Myles Turner averaging 5 blocks/game in 29 minutes played. We'll see him (and savvy passing big man Saboner) against the Pacers here shortly. Drummond 3rd at 2.8 BPG. I don't watch a lot of b-ball, but Turner on the Cavs would be nice in that Drummond/McGee role, but so are Drummond/McGee!
4. Rebounds/Game - #1 is Drummond. Love him or hate him (I love him), the biggest outlier here is #3 32 y/old guard Westbrook at 13.7 RPG.

That's all for now. What does everyone think besides "it's early" or "you should use advanced stats"?

 

[inliner311]

Haliburton so far looks like the best rookie.

Yep and he doesn't look skinny at all like he did in college. His shot does look funky but he is knocking down 3's from all over the court. He had some real good passes in yesterday's game and the king's had him in at crunch time.

 

[foucault87]

Things that stick out from B-Ball Reference that I stumbled upon, having watched 0 NBA games. Please discuss, add more, etc. Obviously it's early but fun to think about: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_per_game.html
1. Jokic. Holy. Top assist guy in the league. 24/12/13. Just wow. Next best big is Juilus Randle at 7.5, also very impressive for him. Next highest Center is Plumlee @ 4.8. But Jokic is rocking 6 turnovers a game so something to keep in mind...
2. In what can only be deemed an excellent start, Garland (along with SGA) are the only 2 young guys at the top of the APG leaderboard. Like the guys ahead of garland are mid 30's (excluding Jokic). The point is, when you think APG, and you think low turnovers, and ball-handling duties, it's WAY early, but DG has potential to stick around with SGA, Luka, Fox, Trae. So it's early, but it's promising. If you were a casual non-Cleveland fan and you sorted by assists, Garland would stick out with a bunch of all stars. MIP?
3. Myles Turner averaging 5 blocks/game in 29 minutes played. We'll see him (and savvy passing big man Saboner) against the Pacers here shortly. Drummond 3rd at 2.8 BPG. I don't watch a lot of b-ball, but Turner on the Cavs would be nice in that Drummond/McGee role, but so are Drummond/McGee!
4. Rebounds/Game - #1 is Drummond. Love him or hate him (I love him), the biggest outlier here is #3 32 y/old guard Westbrook at 13.7 RPG.

That's all for now. What does everyone think besides "it's early" or "you should use advanced stats"?

Good stuff. Early numbers can be really noisy but seeing this kind of stuff over a short run can be really predictive.

I am guessing Turner's blocks will go down. He had an 8 block game earlier to hold it up. Drummond has always been a boxscore stuffer so I dont think it's crazy that he leads the league in boards and is top 5 in steals and blocks. Im holding out on him a. Getting a 5x5 and b. Contuouing to Play better fundamental D and maybe getting legit all d noise.

Loving the Garland passing too. I dont remember the last time had a legit passer with this volume that wasn't LeBron. Andre Miller I guess, but thats before my time. Delly can pass but never played that many minutes. Hoping Garland can keep it going. 7+ apg this year would be really good. I would temper the MIP hype as that award rarely goes to 2nd year players who are usually expected to take a leap.

 

[Cavatt]

IF Garland can maintain the 7 assists per game, it just makes everything so much more viable going forward.

I just see a situation where Darius and Garland start. If there is particularly bad matchup, you bring Porter/Dante/Windler in early and divide up the pg duties in that game.

 

[Adam]

IF Garland can maintain the 7 assists per game, it just makes everything so much more viable going forward.

I just see a situation where Darius and Garland start. If there is particularly bad matchup, you bring Porter/Dante/Windler in early and divide up the pg duties in that game.

So nice you named him twice

 

[Derek]

Buddy until it turns south I'm gonna keep talking about the bullet Milwaukee dodged on not getting Bogdo because Divencenzo is the ultra cheap sniper they needed.

I said the same thing when the trade fell through. Then again, I’m a huge Jay Wright/Villanova basketball fan.

DDV is great for Milwaukee though.

 

[Rich]

Trying to watch this Hawks and Nets game and man...the league is going downhill.

All it takes is a tiny amount of contact and then some flailing and it's a foul. I hate it. I hate the amount of FTs we see now and I hate how the game is so soft.

 

[ACisKING]

Trying to watch this Hawks and Nets game and man...the league is going downhill.

All it takes is a tiny amount of contact and then some flailing and it's a foul. I hate it. I hate the amount of FTs we see now and I hate how the game is so soft.

That game was painful to watch.

 

[Lee]

IF Garland can maintain the 7 assists per game, it just makes everything so much more viable going forward.

I just see a situation where Darius and Garland start. If there is particularly bad matchup, you bring Porter/Dante/Windler in early and divide up the pg duties in that game.

Darius and Garland start? Not only is he our most improved player, but he is now starting at both SG and PG?

 

[Pioneer10]

If fully healthy, the Clippers look like the most dangerous team. Ibaka gives them a good rim protector plus spacing and with their bevy of perimeter defenders, they're what Boston hoped to have created. Best combination of offense , defense, and size

Lakers got a boatload of talent but it's going to take them awhile to figure out and it looks like Lebron and particularly AD are half assing it right now. It will be interesting as the season progresses as the Lakers have lot of upside and guys like Ibaka and leonard seem to wear down as the season progresses

 

[Cavatt]

Trying to watch this Hawks and Nets game and man...the league is going downhill.

All it takes is a tiny amount of contact and then some flailing and it's a foul. I hate it. I hate the amount of FTs we see now and I hate how the game is so soft.

Well it depends on the player, you see

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Trying to watch this Hawks and Nets game and man...the league is going downhill.

All it takes is a tiny amount of contact and then some flailing and it's a foul. I hate it. I hate the amount of FTs we see now and I hate how the game is so soft.

Ugly basketball. Basketball needs to be physical. I enjoy a great defensive stop way more than I enjoy watching guys chuck shots. I want basketball to be physical again and defensive oriented players to have real value in this league.

Trae young with 16 FTs. Most of them are undeserved.

 

[Rich]

Well it depends on the player, you see

I don't think the league has set out to make Trae Young a star in Atlanta.


If you know how to flail and contort your body upon any contact, you get calls.

Then, I saw Kyrie literally try and pull from 35 feet and just throw himself into a player and a ref on the far side called it a foul.

Luckily, the closer ref corrected him, but because the one blew the whistle, the Nets got the ball back and scored anyway.

And it was not only a terrible initial call, but for a ref to even THINK he can call a foul there...

I'm up for big rule changes. If an offensive player initiates the contact, no foul. I don't care if the defender is "set" or whatever. If it's the offensive player jumping into the defender, the end.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

This is what Trae Young does. What can you do?

He also bought himself new teeth.

 

[bigfoot5415]

There isn't an uglier player in NBA history than Trae Young. He looks dirty and deranged.