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2021 Series #17 | White Sox @ Indians | May 31-June 2, 2021

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The White Sox come in for four games in three days riding high off a four-game sweep over the Orioles and winners of 7 of 8. The Sox are 32-20 overall, tied for the second best record in the A.L. So far this season they’re 4-4 against the Indians.

The Sox are another offensive juggernaut like the Blue Jays, who torched the Indians for 20 runs in 21 innings. The Sox are 4th in the A.L. in runs per game at 5.00, just behind the Jays at 5.04. The Sox are first in baseball in OBP at .344. They don’t hit many home runs, ranking 13th in the A.L. with 1.00 home runs per game. They just get on base and score. They’re 6th in slugging percentage so they must hit a lot of doubles.

The Sox are second in the A.L. in team ERA at 3.22 so their pitching is even better than their offense. Their staff leads the A.L. in strikeouts per 9 innings. The Sox make a lot of errors, though, ranking 14th of 15 in that category.

FanGraphs has them 1st in offensive rating at 39.9. The Indians are 26th at -34.5. They’re first in WAR and 11th in defense. Their pitchers are 2nd in FIP and 1st in WAR. Their bullpen leads the A.L. in FIP.

They’re just really good at pitching and at scoring runs the old fashioned way, by getting them on, getting them over, and getting them in. They have a 3.5 game lead over the Tribe and are likely to increase it over the next three days.

On Monday McKenzie goes against Carlos Rodon, 5-2, 1.29. That 1.29 ERA is third best in baseball. Rodon has allowed 0 or 1 run in seven of his eight starts. He’s allowed 3 hits in his last 12 innings. The Indians have a total of three hits off him in 14 innings, and of course he pitched a no-hitter against them. The Indians are hitting .067 off Rodon.

In two starts against the Sox Tristan McKenzie lasted six total innings and has an ERA of 12.00. The Indians appear to have no chance in this one.

The second game Monday looks like a Tribe bullpen day against a White Sox bullpen day. I don’t know if I’ve seen a seven-inning battle of the bullpens before. The listed White Sox starter at ESPN is Jimmy Lambert, a rookie who has pitched two innings this year. MLB.com doesn’t have a starter listed for either team.

Since they’re both having a bullpen day in the same game, what if these two teams got together and agreed that in order to save their bullpens each team was going to have a different position player pitch one inning each? I’d love to see a 38-35 game. Wouldn’t that be a blast?

Tuesday it’s Bieber v. Dylan Cease, 3-1, 2.98. In 10 starts Cease is averaging 5.1 innings and has allowed more than three runs only once, against the Yankees. Bieber has a 1.80 ERA in two starts against the Sox this year.

Wednesday it’s Eli Morgan v. Lance Lynn, 6-1, 1.37. Lynn has allowed three runs in his last five starts but a 4.09 ERA in two starts against the Indians. Morgan probably has no chance against an offense this potent.

I figure the Indians have no chance throwing McKenzie and Morgan against Rodon and Lynn. But they have a chance in the bullpen game and in the Bieber v. Cease game.

If the Indians get swept they’re 7.5 back with no Reyes or Plesac in sight.
 
I seriously doubt Eli will pitch that day. Mejia will get his shot sooner than later. I also think Quantril will replace Hentges in the rotation as well, even if it means a bullpen game or 2 until he stretches out.
 
Hoynes has Dallas Keuchel starting for the White Sox on Wednesday while ESPN has Lance Lynn.

Eli first start was in a mini-hurricane so they may give him another look, but I agree it's unfair to ask him to pitch against the Jays and White Sox back-to-back.

It was some of the worst conditions I’ve ever seen. My message to him was, ‘Listen, you’re not going to be evaluated on your performance tonight.’ His best pitch is a changeup. He warmed up in the bullpen in a cross wind and the pitch had great action. When he got into the game, the wind was behind and took away the depth and action of the changeup. It almost looked like a floater at times.” - Karl Willis
 
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The White Sox come in for four games in three days riding high off a four-game sweep over the Orioles and winners of 7 of 8. The Sox are 32-20 overall, tied for the second best record in the A.L. So far this season they’re 4-4 against the Indians.

The Sox are another offensive juggernaut like the Blue Jays, who torched the Indians for 20 runs in 21 innings. The Sox are 4th in the A.L. in runs per game at 5.00, just behind the Jays at 5.04. The Sox are first in baseball in OBP at .344. They don’t hit many home runs, ranking 13th in the A.L. with 1.00 home runs per game. They just get on base and score. They’re 6th in slugging percentage so they must hit a lot of doubles.

The Sox are second in the A.L. in team ERA at 3.22 so their pitching is even better than their offense. Their staff leads the A.L. in strikeouts per 9 innings. The Sox make a lot of errors, though, ranking 14th of 15 in that category.

FanGraphs has them 1st in offensive rating at 39.9. The Indians are 26th at -34.5. They’re first in WAR and 11th in defense. Their pitchers are 2nd in FIP and 1st in WAR. Their bullpen leads the A.L. in FIP.

They’re just really good at pitching and at scoring runs the old fashioned way, by getting them on, getting them over, and getting them in. They have a 3.5 game lead over the Tribe and are likely to increase it over the next three days.

On Monday McKenzie goes against Carlos Rodon, 5-2, 1.29. That 1.29 ERA is third best in baseball. Rodon has allowed 0 or 1 run in seven of his eight starts. He’s allowed 3 hits in his last 12 innings. The Indians have a total of three hits off him in 14 innings, and of course he pitched a no-hitter against them. The Indians are hitting .067 off Rodon.

In two starts against the Sox Tristan McKenzie lasted six total innings and has an ERA of 12.00. The Indians appear to have no chance in this one.

The second game Monday looks like a Tribe bullpen day against a White Sox bullpen day. I don’t know if I’ve seen a seven-inning battle of the bullpens before. The listed White Sox starter at ESPN is Jimmy Lambert, a rookie who has pitched two innings this year. MLB.com doesn’t have a starter listed for either team.

Since they’re both having a bullpen day in the same game, what if these two teams got together and agreed that in order to save their bullpens each team was going to have a different position player pitch one inning each? I’d love to see a 38-35 game. Wouldn’t that be a blast?

Tuesday it’s Bieber v. Dylan Cease, 3-1, 2.98. In 10 starts Cease is averaging 5.1 innings and has allowed more than three runs only once, against the Yankees. Bieber has a 1.80 ERA in two starts against the Sox this year.

Wednesday it’s Eli Morgan v. Lance Lynn, 6-1, 1.37. Lynn has allowed three runs in his last five starts but a 4.09 ERA in two starts against the Indians. Morgan probably has no chance against an offense this potent.

I figure the Indians have no chance throwing McKenzie and Morgan against Rodon and Lynn. But they have a chance in the bullpen game and in the Bieber v. Cease game.

If the Indians get swept they’re 7.5 back with no Reyes or Plesac in sight.
What’s scary is the White Sox are a hitting juggernaut without Jimenez or Robert.
 
What’s scary is the White Sox are a hitting juggernaut without Jimenez or Robert.
And they also have better pitching than the Tribe, which is why the Indians don't have a chance in hell of winning the division, especially since the toughest opponents on their schedule are mostly yet to be played.

The Indians will be battling the Red Sox, Yankees, Blue Jays, Astros and Mariners for one of the two wild card spots, assuming the Rays and A's hang on to their leads in the East and West. IMO the Indians have very little chance at the playoffs this season unless a whole lot of things fall into place.
 
The Sox have a better rotation now, and will continue to have...as long as their top six stay healthy. But almost never does a rotation stay healthy over 162 games.
 
The Sox have a better rotation now, and will continue to have...as long as their top six stay healthy. But almost never does a rotation stay healthy over 162 games.
I would have happily taken Bieber, Plesac, and Civale over Chicago's top 3 if we had any kind of offense. They've got us on both sides of the ball really. The question is what should/will be done to turn the tide ASAP?
 
They've got us on both sides of the ball really. The question is what should/will be done to turn the tide ASAP?
We don't have the budget to trade prospects for a proven run producer or starting pitcher. I see the tide turning slowly over a 1-3 year period, maybe longer, and that's only if we find two solid starters among the group that includes McKenzie, Hentges, Mejia, Quantrill, and Allen. We also need Naylor, Amed Rosario, Miller, Harold Ramirez, Nolan Jones and Freeman or Arias to develop into quality starters that hit and play good defense.
 
We don't have the budget to trade prospects for a proven run producer or starting pitcher. I see the tide turning slowly over a 1-3 year period, maybe longer, and that's only if we find two solid starters among the group that includes McKenzie, Hentges, Mejia, Quantrill, and Allen. We also need Naylor, Amed Rosario, Miller, Harold Ramirez, Nolan Jones and Freeman or Arias to develop into quality starters that hit and play good defense.
Do you think we are fast approaching the time to deal some players and start getting prospects experience or do you hang onto what we have and see what happens?
 
We don't have the budget to trade prospects for a proven run producer or starting pitcher. I see the tide turning slowly over a 1-3 year period, maybe longer, and that's only if we find two solid starters among the group that includes McKenzie, Hentges, Mejia, Quantrill, and Allen. We also need Naylor, Amed Rosario, Miller, Harold Ramirez, Nolan Jones and Freeman or Arias to develop into quality starters that hit and play good defense.
Only thing wrong with this 1 to 3 years on the pitching side is, if it takes 3 years, many of the starters you are now counting on will be gone or so close to gone they will need be traded (using the Indians model). So you need to develop a lot more than two starters out of that batch if the development runs on the 3 year side.
 
He gave up 2 in Columbus but in 285 innings at all levels Mejia had given up 4 home runs going into this year. That seems like a something to me
 
Only thing wrong with this 1 to 3 years on the pitching side is, if it takes 3 years, many of the starters you are now counting on will be gone or so close to gone they will need be traded (using the Indians model). So you need to develop a lot more than two starters out of that batch if the development runs on the 3 year side.
I was thinking the same thing. Although if they could turn it around in a year or 2 then we could still have Jose and Bieber.

I think Plesac goes the way of Clevinger after this last incident.
 
Its official (although many assumed it already) that Cal Q is getting the start in Gm 2 of the doubleheader today..
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Mandy Bell
Cal Quantrill will start Game 2 against the White Sox today.
 
Interesting lineup for game 1 in some ways

Owen Miller batting 5th and playing 1st base. Yu Chang batting 7th and playing SS. Amed Rosario batting 2nd as the DH and Bradley Zimmer batting 9th in CF.

1. Cesar Hernandez (S) 2B
2. Amed Rosario (R) DH
3. Jose Ramirez (S) 3B
4. Harold Ramirez (R) LF
5. Owen Miller (R) 1B
6. Josh Naylor (L) RF
7. Yu Chang (R) SS
8. Rene Rivera (R) C
9. Bradley Zimmer (L) CF

Lets hope Tmac comes out on fire today.
looks like a recipe for about 3 hits
 

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