2021 Series #20 | Mariners @ Indians | June 11-13, 2021

[LL3]

@sportscoach -- when you use use "pro" or "pros", it seems as if you are talking about the Major Leagues only...is that correct? Just wanting to clarify so as to interpret correctly.

 

[sportscoach]

@sportscoach -- when you use use "pro" or "pros", it seems as if you are talking about the Major Leagues only...is that correct? Just wanting to clarify so as to interpret correctly.

Sorry, yeah when I say pro/pros I mean on the big league level...

 

[Lee]

Yeah, McKenzie's line is 42.1 innings, 28 hits, 59 K's, and a .188 BAA.

If not for all the walks those are All-Star numbers. His BAA is lower than Bieber, Plesac, Civale, Quantrill, Mejia, and even Clase. He set a franchise record with eight consecutive strikeouts and that was against the second highest scoring team in the A.L.

This kid has out of this world potential. He's pitched a total of 5.1 innings at AAA and that was last week. He skipped right over AAA and he's also been injured a lot. He's pitched less than 350 innings of minor league ball in his entire life.

When it all comes together McKenzie will be awesome. But all the developmental time lost due to injury and the pandemic has taken its toll. He still has a ways to go before he's a finished product. Unfortunately, the Indians had to bring him up way too early after having to trade Carrasco and Bauer for financial reasons and with Plesac's injury. It looks like they recognized that because they just sent him down again.

Hopefully we'll see him in the second half but it may take longer.

That is almost like saying if not for that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln? LOL

I am hopefully on McKenzie, but other teams havent had to hit well because he HAS walked so many.

It is this place (yourself included) that taught a baserunner is a baserunner no matter how he got on.

But i hope he does improve in the 2nd half too.

 

[BimboColesHair]

I will always lean towards the sample size and typical trends you see from level to level in baseball.

From 2015 to 2018 Triston's BB per 9 figures were the following:

2.3
2.4
2.8
2.8

General rule of thumb in the scouting community has been expect a ~.5 BB/9 bump for most prospects from level to level, as the tightness of the strikezone and quality of umpire becomes closer and closer to MLB caliber. Anything beyond that becomes a trend of concern. Triston followed that line to a T, essentially, and even in his one career AAA start was right in line with those trends (3.4 BB/9).

He's never been wild as a pro. Anything ~ 3 BB/9 or lower as a prospect is always viewed as average to slightly above average command, and he always was sub that figure. Shit, even in his 1st taste of MLB umpiring last year he was at 2.4 BB/9.

If you think what you are seeing is representative of what he should be once he reigns in his mechanics (which has been a problem since Spring Training, as I have mentioned in here since spring) you're a bit off-base. I have faith he gets back to his ~3 BB/9 self, which with his bump in K/9 rate should lead to a nice building block.

Guys with historical sub 3.0 BB/9 rates for the bulk of their professional career and an MLB K/9 rate of 10+, even with a small sample size, rarely are viewed as "back of the rotation" guys. Let alone when they are just 23 years old.

If you want to toot your own horn about him not being that good, and me taking a stance that he will be, and then celebrating after 40 innings as a 23 year old, be my guest. I won't go gravedigging the next few years.

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

No doubt Bauer has the highest spin rates there are. No doubt he decided to use the best stuff if he was going to use.

But to say he used in Cleveland is JUST BULLSHIT to quote you @CDAV45. Just go look at his spin rates and it is obvious. They jumped in the first inning of a TX game that he used the stuff on purpose and told the press to prove his point. Spin rates went right back down and stayed there until Sept of '19, long after he was traded.

Inside the clubhouse Bauer would always be teasing Clev and Biebs about it. But believe what you may CDAV, no sweat off my back. However, I posted shit (not BS) about Clev and his spin rates way back in '17 on IBI. Maybe you never saw it on the "spin stuff" thread, but it was obvious since he first came up that he used sticky stuff. And he is just lucky he is injured right now because he doesn't have to deal with it.

IIRC, Clev kept it on the inside of his belt.

 

[jup]

IIRC, Clev kept it on the inside of his belt.

Could have, not sure on that one. Because the years I remember the most is when he was always pulling on those long loose strings of his glove. Those strings that were coated/soaked in sticky stuff

 

[Obscured By Clouds]

Don't miss quote me @CATS44, I never said Bauer didn't touch the stuff, I said Bauer never touched the stuff until after he left Cleveland, there is a HUGE difference between the two and you trying to imply I said something different is a purposeful distortion.

Of course Bauer has started to use sticky stuff. I can tell you exactly when he did - Sept in Cincy. His spin rates tell you everything you need to know. But that is after he left Cleveland and that is exactly what I posted

I'm really surprised so many do not realize this at this point. It's been well documented on here.

 

[xmasbuck]

Could have, not sure on that one. Because the years I remember the most is when he was always pulling on those long loose strings of his glove. Those strings that were coated/soaked in sticky stuff

someone told me he kept it in his hair

 

[BimboColesHair]

Clevinger hid his in 3 places. Hair right above his right ear, yes, inside the belt was referenced as well. End of the thumb of his glove as well.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

You realize I wasn't really seriously asking the question right?

No. I was responding to this...

Maybe not but his line drive rate is significantly down and his fly ball rate has spiked so maybe there wasn't a concerted effort to change his swing but maybe subconsciously Cesar decided to join the party.... has his launch angle increased because he changed his swing or because of how he is being pitched?

It sounds to me like you think the more than doubling of his fly ball rate is due to a change in his swing, either deliberate or unconscious.

If you were kidding I guess I missed it.

 

[TxBuckeye]

No. I was responding to this...

Maybe not but his line drive rate is significantly down and his fly ball rate has spiked so maybe there wasn't a concerted effort to change his swing but maybe subconsciously Cesar decided to join the party.... has his launch angle increased because he changed his swing or because of how he is being pitched?

It sounds to me like you think the more than doubling of his fly ball rate is due to a change in his swing, either deliberate or unconscious.

If you were kidding I guess I missed it.

"AND YES I AM BEING A SMARTASS"

That didn't give it away?

 

[Gson]

"AND YES I AM BEING A SMARTASS"

That didn't give it away?

If you'd quit sugar coating things.. you could be better understood...

 

[TxBuckeye]

If you'd quit sugar coating things.. you could be better understood...

Sorry, I thought I was being pretty straightforward there. I'll do better.

 

[Lee]

Clevinger hid his in 3 places. Hair right above his right ear, yes, inside the belt was referenced as well. End of the thumb of his glove as well.

I know no one asked, but for the record I hide all my sticky stuff in my sock.

 

[sportscoach]

I know no one asked, but for the record I hide all my sticky stuff in my sock.

At @The Oi where do you keep your sticky stuff and your extra sticky stuff? Lol