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2023-24 Season | Game #8 | Cavs @ Thunder | Nov. 8, 2023 | 8:00 p.m.

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After a big home win over the 5-1 (now 6-2) Warriors the Cavs hit the road for a rematch against the Oklahoma City Thunder. The Thunder rallied for a late win over the Cavs in Cleveland in Game 2 by a 108-105 score in a game where the Cavs were missing Jarrett Allen and Darius Garland. The Cavs had a 10-point lead with 2:25 to go but defensive breakdowns led to four consecutive 3-pointers by the Thunder.

The Thunder are 4-3 (2-3 at home) with their wins coming against Detroit (2-6), Chicago (3-5), Cleveland (3-4), and Atlanta (4-3). Their losses were against Denver (7-1, by 33 points), New Orleans (4-3), and Golden State (6-2). So with the exception of the Atlanta game the Thunder have beaten the losing teams and lost to the winners. After seven games they appear to be a little above average.

The Warriors beat them in OKC 141-139. Two days later the Warriors scored 104 against the Cavs, which tells me that either the Cavs’ defense is really good or the Thunder defense is really bad.

The Thunder are an odd team offensively; they play slow, ranking 29th in field goals attempted per game, but they are 9th in points per game. The obvious conclusion is they are great shooters in the half court offense and in fact, they rank 4th in effective field goal percentage in non-garbage time. They’re like Golden State - they take their time, get into their half court offense, and make their shots. The Thunder are more balanced, however, with an almost equal percentage of their points coming on 2’s and 3’s, as opposed to the Warriors, who are unbalanced in favor of 3’s.

The Thunder are 14th in points in the paint and 21st in fast break points. They don’t pass as much as the W’s, ranking 24th in assists per possession. They’re more likely to let Shai Gilgeous Alexander (SGA) or Chet Holmgren go one-on-one.

The Thunder are 24th in 3-point attempts per game but 8th in 3-point percentage. They take fewer 3’s than average but knock them down. The one area where the Thunder are deficient is offensive rebounding, where they rank last. It seems their philosophy is to drop back and prevent easy transition points rather than go for the offensive rebound and give the opponent numbers in transition.

SGA is their 1st Team All-NBA star, averaging 24.8 points on 46.6% from the field. He’s still not a 3-point threat (26.3%) so the key is to stay in front of him. SGA excels at the short mid-range shot (79th percentile). He chips in 6.8 rebounds and 6.6 assists per game, so he does it all.

I’ve often thought Caris LeVert could be another SGA if only he could hit that short mid-range jumper in the paint. He has the quickness and handles to get into the paint anytime he wants and the length and jumping ability to get the shot off unblocked every time from 8-12 feet. Caris just can’t make that shot while SGA (and DeMar DeRozan) can.

Rookie center Chet Holmgren is off to a great start at 17.2 points and 7.3 rebounds in 30 minutes per game. He’s shooting an amazing 62.5% overall and an even more astonishing 56.5% on 3’s. Considering he’s 7’1” (and 195 pounds!) he’s more like a guard in a center’s body. He nailed a 3-pointer with a hand in his face to tie the game in Cleveland with a minute to go, so he’s not afraid to take the big shot. He also blocked seven shots against the Cavs. This time I think they won’t underestimate his length and agility in the paint.

SF Jalen Williams is averaging 16.3 points, 5 assists, and 5 rebounds. He’s like a mini SGA in that he’s shooting 49.3% overall but only 29.4% on 3’s while providing solid rebound and assist numbers.

Luguentz Dort, their physical 6’4”, 22o pound shooting guard, is averaging 14.7 points on 55.6% overall and 53.5% on 3’s. Dort, in his fourth season, came into this year with a 33.2% shooting percentage on 3’s, so what he’s doing at 53.5% I have no idea. Maybe Isaac Okoro should ask him about his training methods. His field goal percentage was just over 39% coming in but is over 55% now. I’ suspect opponents are leaving Dort alone to double Holmgren or SGA (like they do with Okoro) and he’s now getting wide open shots.

Dort killed the Cavs in Cleveland, going 9-for-13 for 25 points, including 3-for-4 from deep. With Jarrett Allen playing this time the Cavs should let Allen take Holmgren and make sure somebody is checking Dort. The Cavs left Dort alone in Cleveland and he made them regret it.

Dort was undrafted in 2019 (after declaring for the draft after just one year in college) and signed with the Thunder as a 2-way player. He ended up guarding James Harden in the playoffs as a rookie. In 2022 he signed a 5-year, $87.5 million contract. Too bad we didn’t sign him; we may not have drafted Okoro the following year.

Josh Giddy, the 6th overall pick three years ago, is off to a slow start, shooting 41.7% and 26.7% on 3’s.

I think the Cavs should match up well against them with Allen and Mobley defending the paint. The 3-point shooters to be aware of are Holmgren and Dort, both over 50%, and SG Isaiah Joe, who is hitting 40.5% off the bench. The Thunder average 117 ppg and the Cavs held them to 108 with Allen out. They need a better plan against SGA who burned them for 34 points and 11 rebounds while also getting five steals.

Defensively the Thunder are below average, ranking 24th in points per game. They’re not that bad defending shots, ranking 17th in opponents’ effective FG percentage, but they don’t force turnovers (27th) and they allow tons of second chance shots (29th in opponents’ offensive rebound percentage). As a result they allow more shots per game than anybody.

They are generally tall and skinny (Holmgren, Giddy). Even their bench fits the description (Dieng, 6’9”, 185; Pokusevski, 7’0”, 210). The Cavs should dominate the glass. In the first game the Thunder had just six offensive rebounds despite Allen being out.

Donovan Mitchell scored 43 on them in Cleveland and added five assists. If not for Strus and Niang going 2-for-16 on 3’s the Cavs would have won easily even with Garland and Allen out. Obviously the Thunder will be tougher at home, but the Cavs have had two days off and should be ready to go.

The Cavs also allowed two uncontested layups on out-of-bounds plays when they got caught sleeping on back picks. They gave away four points in a three-point loss. Hopefully they will be ready for those plays this time.

In the first game the Cavs got almost no help from their bench as Jerome, Niang, and Jones combined for 5 points in 40 minutes. In addition, starters Wade and Strus combined for 8 points in 65 minutes. With Garland and Allen back the bench will be deeper this time. Also, the Cavs will be more aware of Holmgren’s shot blocking and they won’t leave Dort unguarded on the perimeter this time around (I trust).
 
OKC played much improved defense against Atlanta last night, holding the high scoring Hawks to 37% shooting. They harassed Trae Young in particular. Young has a tendency to chuck and force flashy passes into tight coverage when well defended, and they forced him to do just that. He flung a lot of well contested floater bricks and turned the ball over seven times. I think they may attempt to trap Garland this game. However, Donovan Mitchell is vastly superior to Dejounte Murray, so even if they defend Garland well, they'll have to hope Dort can cover Mitchell. I don't expect Dort to continue his shocking shooting against the likes of the Cavs with all the energy he will have to expend on defense covering the Cavs backcourt.

The Cavs have a much better shot at winning this one with a fuller roster and likely less horrific officiating (that first matchup had some of the most inept reffing I've seen in some time). I do hope for another competitive game, but I think the Cavs take this one over my Thunder.
 
Must win game. The win over the Warriors re-invigorated me. I want to see a DM 30 pointer, Mobley roving around shutting down the SGA, Garland cutting back on his 'recent' spat of turnovers and Allen kicking at least 1 set of testicles.
 
The Thunder have been like the Warriors so far - feast or famine offensively. The Thunder have had games where they scored 124, 124, 126, and 139. Their other three games they scored 95, 106, and 108. Nothing between 109 and 123. Golden State has no games scoring between 107-119.

The Cavs held them to 108 without Allen, so with Allen guarding Holmgren this time the Cavs should be even stronger defensively as they will be able to put Mobley on somebody else, maybe SGA. Speaking of defense, Okoro participated in practice today so I'm hopeful he will be able to play tomorrow.

Having played them less than two weeks ago the Cavs will have that film as well as film of the five games OKC has played since, plus two days to prepare. They only had one game prior to playing them in Game 2 and I don't think they were prepared for what Holmgren brings to the table. That and getting Allen back should put the Cavs in position to play even better defense than they did in Cleveland, not to mention having more offense with Garland.
 
By the way, the Thunder lead the NBA in "drives" per game at 61.4. The Cavs rank 6th at 52.3. The Warriors are last at 33.0. So the Cavs are going from the most drive averse team to the one that drives more than anyone.

It's interesting that the three teams that drive the fewest are the Celtics, Nuggets, and Warriors. Those teams have a combined record of 17-3. Maybe attacking the rim off the dribble isn't quite what it's cracked up to be.

With Mobley and Allen the Cavs seem to be a good matchup for the Thunder, IMO. Teams that attack the rim don't do that well against the Cavs.
 
More fun stats; the Thunder are tied for 3rd in average dribbles per touch and 4th lowest in passes made. They're a selfish bunch. No wonder they're 24th in assists per possession. They play a lot of one-on-one. SGA is pretty good at it, though.
 
Don't hate me as he's on my fantasy squad, so I will be pulling for Josh Giddey to have a hell of a night, but Los Cavs to win of couse!
 
More fun stats; the Thunder are tied for 3rd in average dribbles per touch and 4th lowest in passes made. They're a selfish bunch. No wonder they're 24th in assists per possession. They play a lot of one-on-one. SGA is pretty good at it, though.
I'm a bit surprised at just how low they are in passes made. Then again, they DO love to drive and dribble, so that tendency would naturally lower the number of passes made. I would have guessed them somewhere in the middle of the pack in that stat, even with the drive and dribble tendencies.

One thing for sure, they really need Giddey playing to keep the offense at least looking like it's moving more than what the stats reveal. When he's not on the court, the lack of passing is much more evident to the eye test. The second unit is often especially a series of failed drives and dribbles until they kick it out to Joe or Dieng for a 3 ball. I think I wrote this in the previous game as well, but the Cavs should pick apart OKC's second unit when they're on the court because it's not a strong bench.
 
Must win game. The win over the Warriors re-invigorated me. I want to see a DM 30 pointer, Mobley roving around shutting down the SGA, Garland cutting back on his 'recent' spat of turnovers and Allen kicking at least 1 set of testicles.

The only thing more hilarious than Jarrett busting Dray’s balls is if Mean Dean had done it.
 
Is this not showing on other people's league pass


Edit lol
 
Oh hey, I'll be able to watch with league pass since I'll be out of of town. Yay!!!!
 
I also got jebaited by the date. I need more Cavs ball
 

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