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2023 Season | Series #24 | A's @ Guardians | June 20-22, 2023

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The problem with calling up a Schneemann is the same as the one with bringing in a Myers. Either would cost somebody on the 40 man.

One wouldn't add anything on the way of helping us win. Schneemann would merely be here to allow Freeman to go back down.

The other might actually fill the black hole we have vs LHP. He might not, too...but he costs nothing to find out.

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The reason Tito is having so much trouble finding more PT this year for everybody is that we have too many kids piled on top of the ones we brought up last year. This is a problem that they saw coming several years ago....so it shouldn't be surprising.

Its like hiring fifteen auto mechanics when you only have ten stalls.

Luckily, or unluckily, depending on the point of view, Oscar fell on his face. Had he not, what limited PT there is for some of these kids would not be there.

The fans reaction to the problem is typical, and as usual, wrong. For a fan, the guy that isn't playing is always better than the one who is.

In the late fifties-early sixties, the Browns had two QBs in Milt Plum and Jim Ninowski. Plum esp was a fairly good QB, but his biggest problem was that he wasn't Otto Graham. The fan favorite was Ninowski when Plum played, and Plum when Ninowski played.

The second thing with fans is that they don't see what goes on behind the scenes, in the dugout, in the clubhouse, during the non game routines. Some of that unseen stuff is just as important as what happens on the field in terms of winning...esp in this org, where culture is a driving decision maker.

The third thing with fans is that they...understandably...have no respect for players. The way players, esp vets, are treated is a big deal within the clubhouse. Tito has it as much as any manager in baseball....but fans denigrate him for having favorites. Its not that he has favorites, its that he has respect for players.

He is not going to just dump Amed, nor platoon him, until he is dead sure that somebody else gives him a better shot of winning over the course of a season. He is not going to move Jose to DH, even part time, in order to give an untested rookie more PT. That would be the ultimate slap in the face to the player who has done so much for the franchise. He is not gonna sit his biggest off season acquisition, either.

Vets don't accommodate rookies. Rookies accommodate vets, unless that rookie is a Kwan....or Lindor, Kipnis, Santana, Brantley coming up during a rebuild. Rookies don't merely earn PT....they TAKE it. And they take it with whatever opportunity they get, no matter how small.

Kwan TOOK his job. So did SpongeBob last year. No way can anybody say that Arias has taken anything.
 
And it's so odd to me because last year Tito, IMO, did a pretty decent job of getting everyone playing time, even guys who quite frankly didn't deserve it. And this year it's the polar opposite.
I disagree. IMO the main problem was when we called up Benson, and then he struggled a little bit and then all of a sudden Jones and Palacios were there. Jones only had about 150 PA in AAA and wasn't exactly crushing the ball. Rather than crowding the roster with 2 lefties who were taking away PA, we should've given Benson his shot with a longer leash because he crushed AAA and then Jones would've been able to keep getting his everyday playing time in AAA and then we could've swapped them pending results. Having both Benson and Jones on the roster at the same time helped neither and eventually Jones was sent down while Benson continued to mainly just ride the bench and never get anything figured out.

In the words of Bimbo they "had nothing left to prove" in AAA but both Benson and Jones took the bus to AAA this year and came back and started hitting the ball.

I'm leaning more toward a strategy of just TRADING some of these prospects pre-emptively before a situation like this happens (say we could've traded Benson or Jones midseason 2022). Because when it does, we end up fire saling guys who actually have talent.
 
I'll quote you accurately here, more accurately than you quoted yourself. "we won't stand a chance to make noise". Someone saying "anything can happen" gets you to quash it 3 times, then that poster says it isn't worth it so he'll go back to lurking.

Nice job.

Then I make a sarcastic response and Q decides to take me out of context and argue. I guess I'll go back to lurking myself.
If you can’t handle dissenting opinions, maybe it’s best you do go back to lurking. It’s just an honest and realistic comment. If people can’t handle that, that’s on them. It’s not as if anywhere in my comments to them, I’ve made my posts personal. And quite frankly, I don’t know why you’re bringing me up considering I’ve had no contact with you. But all the best.
 
I disagree. IMO the main problem was when we called up Benson, and then he struggled a little bit and then all of a sudden Jones and Palacios were there. Jones only had about 150 PA in AAA and wasn't exactly crushing the ball. Rather than crowding the roster with 2 lefties who were taking away PA, we should've given Benson his shot with a longer leash because he crushed AAA and then Jones would've been able to keep getting his everyday playing time in AAA and then we could've swapped them pending results. Having both Benson and Jones on the roster at the same time helped neither and eventually Jones was sent down while Benson continued to mainly just ride the bench and never get anything figured out.

In the words of Bimbo they "had nothing left to prove" in AAA but both Benson and Jones took the bus to AAA this year and came back and started hitting the ball.

I'm leaning more toward a strategy of just TRADING some of these prospects pre-emptively before a situation like this happens (say we could've traded Benson or Jones midseason 2022). Because when it does, we end up fire saling guys who actually have talent.
Good thoughts and I don’t disagree.
 
I'm happy we won five of six from Oakland but all six of those games could have gone either way. Even yesterday's game was 2-1 going into the bottom of the 8th when Oakland brought in Rios, who hasn't pitched in the bigs since 2021 and has a career ERA of 6.08 at age 29.

The A's have fewer wins at this point in the season than all but three teams in history. They might be one of the five worst teams of all time. Yet we didn't get one decisive win against them. Four one-run games, an extra inning game that ended 6-4, and a game that was 2-1 in the 8th.

Errors and wild pitches by Oakland played a huge role in the Guardians sweeping this last series. Their outfield was awful defensively. Five close wins against an awful team that gave us a lot of help. I'm not impressed.
 
I'm happy we won five of six from Oakland but all six of those games could have gone either way. Even yesterday's game was 2-1 going into the bottom of the 8th when Oakland brought in Rios, who hasn't pitched in the bigs since 2021 and has a career ERA of 6.08 at age 29.

The A's have fewer wins at this point in the season than all but three teams in history. They might be one of the five worst teams of all time. Yet we didn't get one decisive win against them. Four one-run games, an extra inning game that ended 6-4, and a game that was 2-1 in the 8th.

Errors and wild pitches by Oakland played a huge role in the Guardians sweeping this last series. Their outfield was awful defensively. Five close wins against an awful team that gave us a lot of help. I'm not impressed.
It's a little disheartening to see the offense perfom so poorly against the As. But the plus side of these close games is we have pretty good late inning arms. Clase is Clase and Eli Morgan has been pretty lights out this year. They give us a great chance to close out these low scoring games.. we just gotta get to them.
 
I'm happy we won five of six from Oakland but all six of those games could have gone either way. Even yesterday's game was 2-1 going into the bottom of the 8th when Oakland brought in Rios, who hasn't pitched in the bigs since 2021 and has a career ERA of 6.08 at age 29.

The A's have fewer wins at this point in the season than all but three teams in history. They might be one of the five worst teams of all time. Yet we didn't get one decisive win against them. Four one-run games, an extra inning game that ended 6-4, and a game that was 2-1 in the 8th.

Errors and wild pitches by Oakland played a huge role in the Guardians sweeping this last series. Their outfield was awful defensively. Five close wins against an awful team that gave us a lot of help. I'm not impressed.
To be honest I'm not surprised at all by this. This team, both good and bad, plays to their competition in all three phases of the game. Hitting erupts for 7...we win 7-6 or lose 8-7. Pitching dominates we lose 2-1 or win 3-2. It really hasn't mattered how good or bad the team we're playing is. We went through that streak 2.5 weeks ago that I think everyone thought might bury us because we were finally playing some good teams and they held their water. In this stretch I don't care how ugly just take advantage and get the cushion that these games should provide and then keep holding water...it's ugly but unless someone other than 3--5 in the lineup starts trending towards 25/25 the rest of the year it is what it is.
 
Is getting swept by a vastly superior team in the playoffs really the endgame?
Is not even being in the playoffs your end game ?
It’s one year. The Div sucks I know. Would you rather win the weak central or not ? I rather win it and see what happens. You ? You apparently rather see us miss the playoffs
 
Is getting swept by a vastly superior team in the playoffs really the endgame?
Is not even being in the playoffs your end game ?
It’s one year. The Div sucks I know. Would you rather win the weak central or not ? I rather win it and see what happens. You ? You apparently rather see us miss the playoffs
 
Is not even being in the playoffs your end game ?
It’s one year. The Div sucks I know. Would you rather win the weak central or not ? I rather win it and see what happens. You ? You apparently rather see us miss the playoffs
Actually in the grand scheme of things...

Missing the playoffs in a shitty division gets you better draft positioning. Making the playoffs, all the sudden teams with better records pick before you.

I still want to win the division for sure, but at this rate the winner of the AL Central stands to lose some spots in the draft order.
 
Actually in the grand scheme of things...

Missing the playoffs in a shitty division gets you better draft positioning. Making the playoffs, all the sudden teams with better records pick before you.

I still want to win the division for sure, but at this rate the winner of the AL Central stands to lose some spots in the draft order.

Cleveland has shown it can find a player in just about any round of the draft... I am not worried about losing spots in the draft...
 
Actually in the grand scheme of things...

Missing the playoffs in a shitty division gets you better draft positioning. Making the playoffs, all the sudden teams with better records pick before you.

I still want to win the division for sure, but at this rate the winner of the AL Central stands to lose some spots in the draft order.
Not worried about a draft pick that might be able to help us in 4 years. I’m too old:)
 

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