2024 Guardians Regular Season Thread

[sportscoach]

Kaepernick was just a guy when he was still playing. All his numbers were average at best on a bad football team. Bauer was at the top of the league the last time he played. Comparing them on the field is no comparison at all. I guess you have a man crush on "alpha male" Kaepernick but try to be a little less biased.

Bauer has always been at a very durable MOR type even at his worst on the mound. Kaepernick was a borderline starter who refused a backup role in the NFL...

Bauer is willing to take the league minimum so he can get back into the league. I would be personally surprised if he doesn't get an MLB deal at some point this season with a contender who feels like they can put up with the headache he could possibly cause. If he doesn't, Bauer should get the MLBPA in court...

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Bauer was ahead of the curve with many pitching training methods.
He was one of the innovators with long-toss. Also, the Indians FO actually asked his opinion on where to locate advanced analytics cameras in Progressive Field for best results.

IMO the real reason they don't want Bauer is that they believe he would have a "Svengali" effect on younger players. Many thought he had a negative effect on Clevinger and others. But that was years ago and people change.

This franchise has taken a chance on a few questionable characters, including John Rocker and Yasiel Puig.
The Bauer opportunity is a very unique opportunity that's staring the Guards right in the face. If they don't take a chance on Bauer then they will have to trade for a good SP.
That hasn't happened since Ubaldo.

 

[sportscoach]

Bauer was ahead of the curve with many pitching training methods.
He was one of the innovators with long-toss. Also, the Indians FO actually asked his opinion on where to locate advanced analytics cameras in Progressive Field for best results.

IMO the real reason they don't want Bauer is that they believe he would have a "Svengali" effect on younger players. Many thought he had a negative effect on Clevinger and others. But that was years ago and people change.

This franchise has taken a chance on a few questionable characters, including John Rocker and Yasiel Puig.
The Bauer opportunity is a very unique opportunity that's staring the Guards right in the face. If they don't take a chance on Bauer then they will have to trade for a good SP.
That hasn't happened since Ubaldo.

And Ubaldo wasn't that great... I so wanted Fister, who the Tigers got for way cheaper...

Either way, I feel like Cleveland isn't going to take on Bauer since he did burn the bridges of the non-baseball part of the organization. But I could definitely see a contender with SP injuries and an older roster bringing him in. We are too young to gamble on him at the end of the day.

 

[CDAV45]

Delete……...Because I change my mind already

LOL! I love having you around Cliff!

 

[American Hero]

Bauer was ahead of the curve with many pitching training methods.
He was one of the innovators with long-toss. Also, the Indians FO actually asked his opinion on where to locate advanced analytics cameras in Progressive Field for best results.

IMO the real reason they don't want Bauer is that they believe he would have a "Svengali" effect on younger players. Many thought he had a negative effect on Clevinger and others. But that was years ago and people change.

This franchise has taken a chance on a few questionable characters, including John Rocker and Yasiel Puig.
The Bauer opportunity is a very unique opportunity that's staring the Guards right in the face. If they don't take a chance on Bauer then they will have to trade for a good SP.
That hasn't happened since Ubaldo.

They probably need 2 starting pitchers tbh. Going to be nearly impossible to trade for 2. I don't think there's a better on the field fit for Bauer than the Guardians. A very good team who has a crippling starting pitching weakness.

I think Bauer was probably humbled by his time out of the league. Not only that, you best believe he's going to be on his best behavior with a 1 year vet minimum prove it deal. I really don't see any downsides. You sign him, if he causes any locker room problems then you cut him.

The Guardians need pitching in the worst way. Cookie is about to start getting blasted. Who knows if we'll see Williams at all. 0 faith in TMac. Lively and Curry? Who is eating the innings?

 

[CDAV45]

Its really not just the accusers that is Bauer's problem, evidenced by outbursts, clubhouse issues and being a general annoyance everywhere he's been.

This isn't a guy like Kaepernick who is a STRONG leader and alpha male type, with strong morals and coming from a good family before being black-balled from the league because of his political beliefs.


Bauer is just not a great guy, likes to beat women for sport and claim they wanted it afterward, easily manipulated, with a lengthy history of burning bridges and projecting a holier than thou approach to baseball culture in general.

First off, there was an investigation and Bauer hasn't been convicted or proven to be involved in anything illegal, but He was "black-balled" because of the accusations and is still "black-balled" after the information has been made public. No team wants to touch Bauer in fear of scrutiny. In fact, some of his accusers are being charged with crimes. There is certainly a cloud hanging over his head and that is absolutely, 100% of his own doing. His personal shit became public as opposed to the dumb fuck that is Kaepernick that made his stupid personal opinion public and rightfully got lambasted for it. I mean how stupid do you have to be to protest and entire country and then expect the vast majority of that country to join forces with you protesting them. It's a terrible comparison.

I was glad to see Bauer exited out of Cleveland after his dumbass outburst. It was stupid and he deserved the repercussions of his actions. While unfortunate for Trevor, I'm finding it difficult to muster any empathy toward him. He put himself in that situation and as an incredibly rich athlete and supposedly intelligent individual, he should have known better. The questions for me are 1) Has he matured? 2) Would he be an asset 3) Have the stupid antics come to an end? Therefore I don't disagree with what you said about Bauer's behavior. I just don't know how much of them are true. Clearly the outburst was 5 yrs ago is. I don't recall Trevor being an issue in the Reds dugout or him being a "general annoyance everywhere he's been".

A good comparison for Trevor would be President Bill Clinton.

 

[KluberSociety]

I think Bauer was probably humbled by his time out of the league.

It's not like Bauer hasn't spewed out years worth of material during his time out of the league showing anything but humility, or anything.

 

[AZ_]

Kaepernick was just a guy when he was still playing. All his numbers were average at best on a bad football team. Bauer was at the top of the league the last time he played. Comparing them on the field is no comparison at all. I guess you have a man crush on "alpha male" Kaepernick but try to be a little less biased.

Kaepernick's numbers (90 Rating, 16TD/4INT) would have him looking at a significant contract to compete as a starting QB -- but we have to pretend they were bad because of bias.

The last time Bauer played, his talent and arm were fine but his teammates all went public with their happiness that he was gone after the suspension.

Its simply a case that one guy is good and was unfairly blackballed by the NFL and ownership for his beliefs.

In Bauer's case, he burned bridges and destroyed his career over repeated actions.

Seems pretty simple.

 

[AZ_]

First off, there was an investigation and Bauer hasn't been convicted or proven to be involved in anything illegal, but He was "black-balled" because of the accusations and is still "black-balled" after the information has been made public. No team wants to touch Bauer in fear of scrutiny. In fact, some of his accusers are being charged with crimes. There is certainly a cloud hanging over his head and that is absolutely, 100% of his own doing. His personal shit became public as opposed to the dumb fuck that is Kaepernick that made his stupid personal opinion public and rightfully got lambasted for it. I mean how stupid do you have to be to protest and entire country and then expect the vast majority of that country to join forces with you protesting them. It's a terrible comparison.

But Bauer being black-balled isn't just about sexual assault and repeated battery of women, it was simply the last straw. He has a long list of actions which got him shipped off every team he played for in the league.

Kaepernick's personal opinions were neither stupid, nor inaccurate. He simply was punished for believing them.


Its not a fair comparison because one guy was unfairly black-balled, while Bauer's current unemployment was based on his actions.

 

[American Hero]

Kaepernick's numbers (90 Rating, 16TD/4INT) would have him looking at a significant contract to compete as a starting QB -- but we have to pretend they were bad because of bias.

The last time Bauer played, his talent and arm were fine but his teammates all went public with their happiness that he was gone after the suspension.

Its simply a case that one guy is good and was unfairly blackballed by the NFL and ownership for his beliefs.

In Bauer's case, he burned bridges and destroyed his career over repeated actions.

Seems pretty simple.

I didn't say bad, I said they were average. 90 passer rating is average. He was also 1-10 as a starter that year. He'd be competing as a low end starter going strictly be on the field.

Trevor Bauer's numbers were a 2.59 ERA and 1.003 WHIP. That sounds like a pretty elite pitcher.

You compared the two off the field which is fine, I'm not an alpha male expert so I'll leave that to you. I just wanted to say their on the field abilities and production aren't really comparable.

 

[American Hero]

But Bauer being black-balled isn't just about sexual assault and repeated battery of women, it was simply the last straw. He has a long list of actions which got him shipped off every team he played for in the league.

Kaepernick's personal opinions were neither stupid, nor inaccurate. He simply was punished for believing them.


Its not a fair comparison because one guy was unfairly black-balled, while Bauer's current unemployment was based on his actions.

Statistically speaking they were inaccurate per the Harvard study on the issue. Not that I agree he should have been blackballed for it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion

 

[AZ_]

I didn't say bad, I said they were average. 90 passer rating is average. He was also 1-10 as a starter that year. He'd be competing as a low end starter going strictly be on the field.

Trevor Bauer's numbers were a 2.59 ERA and 1.003 WHIP. That sounds like a pretty elite pitcher.

You compared the two off the field which is fine, I'm not an alpha male expert so I'll leave that to you. I just wanted to say their on the field abilities and production aren't really comparable.

Trevor Bauer's numbers aren't the problem, neither were Kaepernick's.

Their on-field numbers are certainly comparable -- Kaepernick was an above average QB for quite some time just like Bauer is an above average pitcher.

Kaepernick led a great team to the playoffs, Bauer missed his best chance at a ring because of his conduct. But again, performance isn't the issue -- both have the talent to be high performers at the professional level.

Anyone pretending otherwise is DEEPLY biased.



The comparison is about off the field conduct. Kaepernick is a good person, strong leader and is respected by those who he played with.

Bauer appears to be quite the opposite.

Statistically speaking they were inaccurate per the Harvard study on the issue. Not that I agree he should have been blackballed for it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion

A Harvard study? Impressive.

That's in the ivy league.

 

[Damage]

Josey w a grand slam - 107.8 Exit velocity

 

[AZ_]

 

[Selby]

Gavin Williams is being shut down and given a cortizone shot in his elbow after experiencing a reoccurance of his pain after throwing 50 pitches. My guess is this goes on for a couple of months and they finally throw in the towel and have surgery.

Or do rest, rehab, give it a shot, shut it down, and repeat all year and get the surgery next spring like Bieber.

The elbow was originally injured when he was working with weighted balls. This guy already throws in the high 90's - why is he working with weighted balls?

My guess is his elbow was already about to go and if it wasn't the weighted balls it would have happened when he was pitching. I'll be surprised if he pitches any innings this year. It seems like once a pitcher develops an arm problem it's there until it gets fixed with surgery. Maybe McKenzie will be the exception.

Had high hopes for him this season. Still a chance he can make an impact this year, but the news from yesterday is certainly discouraging.