Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Los216]

Convince Baker of that and you have yourself a deal.

The organization would do flips if they could lock up our franchise QB for an out-of-date price tag, instead of what franchise QB's are currently getting, or what they will get next year when the cap goes back up.

Is Baker on the same level as Dak and Deshaun?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Is Baker on the same level as Dak and Deshaun?

Baker's first and third years were above Dak's first and third years. Dak's last season, before injury, was better than Baker's. I think they're looking at similar pay levels, but the way Dallas fucked Dak by not committing to him may have inflated his monetary figure.

 

[Los216]

Baker's first and third years were above Dak's first and third years. Dak's last season, before injury, was better than Baker's. I think they're looking at similar pay levels, but the way Dallas fucked Dak by not committing to him may have inflated his monetary figure.

I agree which is why I think ultimately Baker will get slightly less than Dak which is something that we can offer right now.

Basically there's only one path that would lead to Baker getting more or as much as Dak. He'd have to be a top 5 ish QB next season and make improvements and lead us toe the AFC Championship game at least.

I think if he falls short of those things but still has a good season like last year he will get less than Dak. That's best case scenario from the FO's perspective but I do think that there's a chance that he could check those boxes and ends up getting $40M per season. I'm not going to be mad if he does. I just think it's more likely that he comes in just short of that.

But with the way we have been doing our contracts I wouldn't be surprised if we added a bunch of funny money in it. Incentive based or something that can be ripped up and done again in 2 years.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I agree which is why I think ultimately Baker will get slightly less than Dak which is something that we can offer right now.

You're looking at this through too stagnant of a window.

You agree, which is why if Baker signed his deal this offseason, that would be the contract to compare it to.

As we proceed down the road, QB contracts will continue to inflate in value.

 

[col63onel]

Baker and his agent know the new TV deal is gonna explode the cap in a few years. And he has to play the next 2 years on his rookie scale.

If Baker is willing to risk, no reason to even sign an extension next offseason either. Force the Browns to franchise him for a year if he has to. But Baker has every reason to delay signing an extension until 2023 or beyond to take advantage of the bigger cap.

Do I wish he'd sign now for a more reasonable rate? Of course. But I absolutely understand the incentive not to, and it's probably what I would do if I were him.

 

[Los216]

You're looking at this through too stagnant of a window.

You agree, which is why if Baker signed his deal this offseason, that would be the contract to compare it to.

As we proceed down the road, QB contracts will continue to inflate in value.

They'll inflate but only if the play of that QB also improves.

 

[Los216]

Baker and his agent know the new TV deal is gonna explode the cap in a few years. And he has to play the next 2 years on his rookie scale.

If Baker is willing to risk, no reason to even sign an extension next offseason either. Force the Browns to franchise him for a year if he has to. But Baker has every reason to delay signing an extension until 2023 or beyond to take advantage of the bigger cap.

Do I wish he'd sign now for a more reasonable rate? Of course. But I absolutely understand the incentive not to, and it's probably what I would do if I were him.

What about signing a deal now that he can scrap and re-do in two years?

 

[col63onel]

What about signing a deal now that he can scrap and re-do in two years?

Unless I am misunderstanding, why would the Browns do that?

He's at rookie scale the next 2 years. Even his 5th year option is a bargain for a starting QB, much less a potential top 10 QB. Why would we pay him way more for the next 2 years, when his contract is great?

 

[AZ_]

Is Baker on the same level as Dak and Deshaun?

With negotiations seemingly on the back burner, seems like a question Baker wants to answer for himself in 2021.

Nearly everyone on the offensive side coming back, a full year of off-season work with his receivers, consistency in the coaching staff.


I'd probably back burner negotiations too, because he's primed for a valuable jump in production if everyone stays healthy. It could potentially earn him tens of millions more than if he signed right now.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

With negotiations seemingly on the back burner, seems like a question Baker wants to answer for himself in 2021.

Nearly everyone on the offensive side coming back, a full year of off-season work with his receivers, consistency in the coaching staff.


I'd probably back burner negotiations too, because he's primed for a valuable jump in production if everyone stays healthy. It could potentially earn him tens of millions more than if he signed right now.

Even if he doesn't stay healthy... even if he has an absolutely catastrophic, season-ending injury like Dak just did, what's the downside? Dak just got 4-years, 160 million against a decreased, COVID-deflated cap.

 

[Kbiz]

All this boring contract talk and we aren't even discussing the big story here:

Browns notes: Quarterback Baker Mayfield believes in Bigfoot and, yes, UFOs

 

[adam81king]

I ask this genuinely, are we sure Baker *wanted* to backburner the negotiations? The one clip I saw made it sound like something a person would say to save face if the person they negotiate with didn't want to more than Baker not wanting to. The "I didn't want you anyway," response to being shot down. Could be very wrong, but thats just what I saw.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Even if he doesn't stay healthy... even if he has an absolutely catastrophic, season-ending injury like Dak just did, what's the downside? Dak just got 4-years, 160 million against a decreased, COVID-deflated cap.

Baker is under contract for two more years, so even if he suffered a season ending injury this year, he's got 2022 to prove he deserves an extension.

 

[Kbiz]

With negotiations seemingly on the back burner, seems like a question Baker wants to answer for himself in 2021.

Nearly everyone on the offensive side coming back, a full year of off-season work with his receivers, consistency in the coaching staff.


I'd probably back burner negotiations too, because he's primed for a valuable jump in production if everyone stays healthy. It could potentially earn him tens of millions more than if he signed right now.

I think you nailed it. It's like Baker is setting this up as his prove it year. Not surprised to see him betting on himself. If his productivity increases and his consistency gets better, then it's safe to say he's performing as a top 5-10 QB.

Mahomes and Watson earned top 2 money based on performance. Even if Mayfield meets expectations next year, I am not sure he's ever in the same stratosphere as Mahomes from an ability standpoint but, if he's the franchise guy, you pay the franchise price.

 

[Lee]

Baker and his agent know the new TV deal is gonna explode the cap in a few years. And he has to play the next 2 years on his rookie scale.

If Baker is willing to risk, no reason to even sign an extension next offseason either. Force the Browns to franchise him for a year if he has to. But Baker has every reason to delay signing an extension until 2023 or beyond to take advantage of the bigger cap.

Do I wish he'd sign now for a more reasonable rate? Of course. But I absolutely understand the incentive not to, and it's probably what I would do if I were him.

He might sign next year. Cap supposed to go way up, might be enough higher to not risk beyond, but I see zero chance he wants to negotiate this offseason after the Covid year.

And he could wait the 2 years to get into the new TV money, or sign a 4 or 5 year deal,. take some huge guarantees, leave it short enough to get another big contract like Dak just did.