Cleveland Browns 2021 Regular Season: RIP

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

dude, You clearly arent paying attention to my argument, so after this im done. Schwartz is paid to catch the ball. Its his job. The ball hit him in the hands (both of them), and he controlled it very briefly. At that point regardless of what the defender is doing its on Schwartz to come down with it. You see this play all the time, where a defender has his arm in the way and the reciever still comes down with it. We saw it at least a couple of times yesterday.

I understand why Schwartz didnt catch it. I got it. The defender has his arm there, it made Schwartz's job vastly more difficult, because it is absolutely not an easy play and its not like Schwartz just dropped it. However when the ball hits you in both hands, and you control it, you need to be stronger/better than the defender. Thats the end of the damn story, its not complicated.

Go ask Schwartz if he should have made that play. You really think he is going to say "nah man, the defender made a great play, there was no way I was going to complete that catch".

God, "It's his job" is such a shitty argument. Anytime you hear someone resort to that you know they're throwing logic and discussion out the window and just trying to say things that they feel sound good in order to try and come out of a debate as the winner.

You see it all the time when people complain to fantasy football analysts for not nailing everything perfectly. "It's your job!" Well, it's their job to do the research and provide their well-informed opinions and guesses. That doesn't mean they're always right.

If you run over your laptop with your car, are you complaining to your CEO that your IT department is incompetent because "it's their job" to keep your laptop running? Of course not.

Schwartz made a good play to get open on that route and to go up and catch the ball. Thornhill made a good play to break up the completion.

If you ask him a loaded question of course he's going to give you the socially accepted answer. That doesn't mean you're in the right here.

If a client's technical resource uninstalls our software and I'm in the meeting to help fix everything and their boss asks me what happened, I'm not going to throw them under the bus. That doesn't mean that the guy didn't uninstall our software and cause the problem. It just means it's the socially accepted answer and nothing good comes from saying the honest truth in that situation.

 

[Jack Brickman]

i do not give a shit what thornhill was doing. period. as i said. Thornhill could have been bashing him with a fucking 2x4. Its schwartz's job to catch the ball that hits him in the hands. He didnt.

Schwartz is a rookie late third round pick playing in his first NFL game after missing most of the preseason who got thrust into a major role because the team docs didn’t clear OBJ. Give the kid a fucking break. The defender made a good play. It happens.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

“Schwartz is paid to catch the ball.”

Isn‘t Thornhill paid to prevent the completion?

It's like skillshots in video games.

To put it into a dota reference, if pudge misses a hook, pudge sucks because he missed the hook.

If the other person gets hooked, they suck for not dodging the hook.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

If you run over your laptop with your car, are you complaining to your CEO that your IT department is incompetent because "it's their job" to keep your laptop running? Of course not.

i do not give a shit what thornhill was doing. period. as i said. Thornhill could have been bashing him with a fucking 2x4. Its schwartz's job to catch the ball that hits him in the hands. He didnt.

Well, I guess I assumed a bit too much...

 

[Randolphkeys]

no. absolutely not. Schwartz played a great game as far as I am aware unless there is something else I am missing.

Like the rookies drafted ahead of him, it was a story of some highs and great plays... but also some missed opportunities.

Newsome was great for a cornerback playing in his first game, but he game up receptions.

JOK was great on special teams and made some strong tackles against the run... but he got pulled after Kelce froze him.

Schwartz broke off a route that could have been a touchdown at the end of the first half. He also bobbled his 40+ reception that could have been a home run bomb. So, good but areas he can improve.

 

[Deezus]

Who is going to pay my medical bills for me gouging my eyes out after having to read the last 2 pages of this thread?

 

[B Mac]

Who is going to pay my medical bills for me gouging my eyes out after having to read the last 2 pages of this thread?

Wil the gouge be flailing around or karate chopping your eyes?

 

[Triplethreat]

Speaking of Greedy, he looked awful yesterday. Like, unplayable. He didn't play much but he stood out when he did, in a real bad way...

Im not sure who in the secondary you could point to and say “that guy played great”.

They were all fucking terrible. Maybe Hill? They all stunk though.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Im not sure who in the secondary you could point to and say “that guy played great”.

They were all fucking terrible. Maybe Hill? They all stunk though.

Denzel Ward played great.

JJ3 played great aside from the fluky Hill bomb.

 

[Ohio]

Im not sure who in the secondary you could point to and say “that guy played great”.

They were all fucking terrible. Maybe Hill? They all stunk though.

Well there's a big difference between not playing great and being "fucking terrible."

I think Ward, Newsome, Hill and Johnson all did fine. Certainly not great, but not bad either. I suspect their PFF grades will reflect this.

Greedy sucked though. Stewart is just bad in general. And the Linebackers couldn't cover anyone, they looked lost out there.

But, no, the entire secondary was definitely not terrible.

 

[Ohio]

 

[Jack Brickman]

It’s also ridiculous that a coach can do this and the player is the one who gets tossed. It gives a major competitive advantage to one team while not punishing the other in the slightest.

 

[Los216]

Yesterday was a top 5 regular season game in Cleveland Sports in the last decade. Only games that immediately pop in my head that were better are

Cavs vs Warriors Christmas Day 2016
Naquin inside the park against Toronto
Kyrie Double Nickel at home vs Portland without LeBron
Baker debut vs Jets on Thursday Night Football

 

[Selby]

Yesterday was a top 5 regular season game in Cleveland Sports in the last decade. Only games that immediately pop in my head that were better are

Cavs vs Warriors Christmas Day 2016
Naquin inside the park against Toronto
Kyrie Double Nickel at home vs Portland without LeBron
Baker debut vs Jets on Thursday Night Football

The Browns clinching a playoff berth against the Steelers last year has to be on that list I think.

 

[MattyFos.]

Denzel Ward played great.

JJ3 played great aside from the fluky Hill bomb.

And that bomb was fluky as fuck cause Johnson had Hill covered like a swaddled baby before Mahomes (hommes) threw the ball about 5 yards short and Hill stopped on a dime and snagged it. that ball hits Hill in stride and it bounces off of Johnsons head.