Darius Kinnard Garland

[PIP]

Anyone have ESPN insider so we can check John Hollinger’s most recent FRCR stats?

I know he had top 50 Floor Raisers and Ceiling Raisers ranked for the last couple years.

Last week or so has been his tRed% rankings for the top Treadmill Teams….

Stupid stat

 

[cavsfever]

Kyrie was / is a ceiling raiser because it’s incredibly difficult for any defense, even a top defense, to shut him down. He can create and hit his own shot out of nothing (and before you say we shut him down yesterday — he was 27-9-7 and +14 on the court). That’s key in the playoffs when teams game plan to shut down system defenses. He can be a one man offense at critical times. But he’s not a floor raiser because he doesn’t make other guys better

I see Garland as kind of the opposite. He doesn’t have Kyrie’s individual offensive genius - very few PGs ever have — but he does a greater range of things teams need

 

[prf100]

Which of you two motherfuckers voted for Kevin Ollie? And be honest: it was because of the ‘stache right?

 

[weepinwillow]

Which of you two motherfuckers voted for Kevin Ollie? And be honest: it was because of the ‘stache right?

Old Spice!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

To be fair, I believe its an ellipsoid too, but I was speaking of Garland...he is crazy like Kyrie and Garland believes its a sphere.

It is an oblate spheroid.

 

[bob2the2nd]

Kyrie was / is a ceiling raiser because it’s incredibly difficult for any defense, even a top defense, to shut him down. He can create and hit his own shot out of nothing (and before you say we shut him down yesterday — he was 27-9-7 and +14 on the court). That’s key in the playoffs when teams game plan to shut down system defenses. He can be a one man offense at critical times. But he’s not a floor raiser because he doesn’t make other guys better

I see Garland as kind of the opposite. He doesn’t have Kyrie’s individual offensive genius - very few PGs ever have — but he does a greater range of things teams need

strong disagree.

Besides scoring there is nothing Kyrie does that makes his team better. He is an absolutely a fantastic scorer and maybe one of the scariest 1 on 1 players of this generation. Can he carry a team for a game or 3? Absolutely. However he is going to do it by taking 35 shots, trying to score 50. Sure he may play a little PG, but he isnt going to score 30 points, rack up 8 assists, and dominate on the defensive side of the court. I wouldnt put him on a 35 win team and expect them to win 45 games the next year thats for sure.

Also yesterdays 27-9-7 line he only did once last year, and only 3 times did he put up 27 and 9 assists. It might be a top 15 game of his all time with the nets from an overall perspective. So not sure why anyone would ever say kyrie was "shut down"

As for Garland I would say i agree he is the opposite, he is the sort of player that does raise a teams ceiling. You do expect him to go score 20, collect 8 assists, and play decent defense. Do i think he is going to take a team from 35 wins to 45 wins right now. Of course not, but he is also only 3 years removed from college and 4 years removed from high school. Give me another year ago and I absolutely he absolutely becomes a game changing point guard.

 

[Nphan]

strong disagree.

Besides scoring there is nothing Kyrie does that makes his team better. He is an absolutely a fantastic scorer and maybe one of the scariest 1 on 1 players of this generation. Can he carry a team for a game or 3? Absolutely. However he is going to do it by taking 35 shots, trying to score 50. Sure he may play a little PG, but he isnt going to score 30 points, rack up 8 assists, and dominate on the defensive side of the court. I wouldnt put him on a 35 win team and expect them to win 45 games the next year thats for sure.

Also yesterdays 27-9-7 line he only did once last year, and only 3 times did he put up 27 and 9 assists. It might be a top 15 game of his all time with the nets from an overall perspective. So not sure why anyone would ever say kyrie was "shut down"

As for Garland I would say i agree he is the opposite, he is the sort of player that does raise a teams ceiling. You do expect him to go score 20, collect 8 assists, and play decent defense. Do i think he is going to take a team from 35 wins to 45 wins right now. Of course not, but he is also only 3 years removed from college and 4 years removed from high school. Give me another year ago and I absolutely he absolutely becomes a game changing point guard.

Kyrie is one of the most overvalued players in the league. The man can score but he is toxic and won't buy into any structure or culture. He's not about winning, being a team players in any way. Dude has too much baggage on and off the court. I wouldn't trade Lamar Stevens straight up for Kyrie. Dude would destroy this team from the inside out.

 

[buzzdog]

I can't imagine the mental pain Sexton had to endure, being forced to take all those shots and dominate the ball. That's hell for an NBA scorer.

And what about the individual accolades he was showered with as a consequence of this unfortunate role? Terrible. Just terrible. Truly a fate you wouldn't wish even for your worst enemy.

All while losing and tanking, I'm sure they all were having a great time. Just another ridiculous take.

 

[buzzdog]

How do you plan on taking current Darius Garland back to 2016?

 

[buzzdog]

Sigh. Please stop calling each other bitch.

I’ve seen some crazy things to get people riled up on this site, but didn’t see this one coming while the young Cavs are knocking on the door of a top seed.

Bitch, please!

 

[buzzdog]

My cousins roommate's best friend once hung out with Jarrett who is best friends and told them they visit the planetarium together all the time. Garland believes in science, no way he is a flat earther....my cousin's roommate's best friend would never lie to me.

 

[BigZ94]

It's unfortunate we didn't get many nationally televised games this year, otherwise more people would've been able to see just how amazing Garland has been this season. Fan voting is a lost cause at this point but I'm hoping he's at least a reserve All-Star. Something tells me LeGM will draft him ahead of some bigger names lol.

Honestly who cares let them sleep on us, we gonna have plenty of televised games this post season

 

[blommen]

The idea of the ceiling raiser/floor spacer discourse has generally been used as a way of distinguishing between high usage players that can carry a sub par roster to a respectable record, and players who work as a sort of force multiplier for an already good team to take them to the next level. A lot of this comes down which skill sets scale favorably and aren't reliant on high usage. Kyrie is an interesting case because I don't think you can call him a very effective floor raiser, judging by his resume in that sort of role. He is, however, an unbelievable ceiling raiser if your team already has a number one option, and his skill set scales incredibly well in that role. The reason it feels strange to categorize him as a ceiling raiser is, in part, due to the fact that his skill set and profile seems archetypically floor raiser-like. Normally you associate that moniker with guys like Draymond or late career CP3, who "fill in the gaps" so to speak and super charges the team around them in a way, while Kyrie is more like a safety valve where you can almost always count on him to find a match-up and a shot regardless of the situation.

Garland, to me, is sort of the inverse of Kyrie in a sense. He is unquestionably carrying this team on offense, but he has also shown that his skillset scales incredibly well with the talent around him. He is adept at running off the ball and a willing as well as brazen passer, and combined with his handles and scoring it has unlocked the potential of the rest of the team in a way that is quintessentially ceiling raiser-like. I believe Sam Vecenie referred to him as a "Steph lite" in regards to his role and development, and I think that gets at his place in the sort of grey zone between Ceiling/floor raiser.

 

[kidduck]

From the Athletic:

Looking at the bigger picture, Garland is averaging 19.7 points and 7.8 assists per game and shooting 46.7 percent from the field and 91.8 percent from the foul line. If it holds for the entire season, he’d be the first player 22 or younger to post those numbers.

When Irving was Garland’s age, in 2014-15, he was an All-Star and co-piloted the Cavs to the NBA Finals, but he only shot 86 percent from the foul line and averaged just 5.2 assists.

 

[Heat Check]

From the Athletic:

Looking at the bigger picture, Garland is averaging 19.7 points and 7.8 assists per game and shooting 46.7 percent from the field and 91.8 percent from the foul line. If it holds for the entire season, he’d be the first player 22 or younger to post those numbers.

I love the wacky world of NBA stats.