Darius Kinnard Garland

[Jordan]

I’m not worried that Garland will be a total bust. My guess is his floor ends up as a DJ Augustine.

My fear is that we still have not seen a “ceiling game.” KPJ has had five or so and Sexton double-digits. Games where we see a glimpse of a young guy that can be dominant. I’ll give him time, but as we continue not to see it, I do get more concerned.

 

[Kizzle]

I’m not worried that Garland will be a total bust. My guess is his floor ends up as a DJ Augustine.

My fear is that we still have not seen a “ceiling game.” KPJ has had five or so and Sexton double-digits. Games where we see a glimpse of a young guy that can be dominant. I’ll give him time, but as we continue not to see it, I do get more concerned.

This concern is valid

At #5 overall we should’ve seen a flash of greatness by now.

I think he’s got elite penetration skills already so to me I consider that his flash but I understand people being concerned that he hasn’t had a statement game yet.


im kinda scared to say it but I see a career backup/fringe starting PG when I see Garland. He’ll likely start most of his career due to being on the Cavs but on a championship team he’s a 7th or 8th man.

 

[pinoycavsfan]

His ceiling is dependent on his ability to make 3's. His shot has such a low release point that it is easy to challenge. If he takes and makes a decent clip of 3's, it would open up his drives and passing game.

 

[Jordan]

This concern is valid

At #5 overall we should’ve seen a flash of greatness by now.

I think he’s got elite penetration skills already so to me I consider that his flash but I understand people being concerned that he hasn’t had a statement game yet.


im kinda scared to say it but I see a career backup/fringe starting PG when I see Garland. He’ll likely start most of his career due to being on the Cavs but on a championship team he’s a 7th or 8th man.

Listen, I totally get *why* he has not shown flashes. He’s basically a straight-out-of-high-school point guard coming off an injury. His body was not ready nor was he experienced going up against the best young players. It makes sense.

Still, one would have hoped that we could have seen a great scoring game where he was nailing a ton of shots, getting a ton of assist, or something similar.

His talent is undeniable. He sees the court at an elite level, has the ball on a string, and tries hard on defense. None of those things have converted into dominating games, though, and I think it’s fair to be worried that his ceiling just is not that high.

Nonetheless, he is an unprepared rookie, and I think it’s also totally justifiable to believe that next year will be totally different. Also, DJ Augustine was a good player, just not someone you want at 5th overall.

 

[Kizzle]

Hate to be this guy but I hope to god we didn’t skip out on Culver and Hachimura because we have Osman and had Clarkson

There’s no way Garland was higher rated than those 2

 

[benchplayer]

This concern is valid

At #5 overall we should’ve seen a flash of greatness by now.

I think he’s got elite penetration skills already so to me I consider that his flash but I understand people being concerned that he hasn’t had a statement game yet.


im kinda scared to say it but I see a career backup/fringe starting PG when I see Garland. He’ll likely start most of his career due to being on the Cavs but on a championship team he’s a 7th or 8th man.

garland has the tools to be an allstar, no doubt, but the thing that determines if he can reach his ceiling is the type of mentality he has. Does he have that mamba mentality? KPJ has it, and Sexton has boatloads. I want to see garland be aggressive, I'm talking pull up 3's, step-backs and cross overs lol

 

[J_J]

I always wanted Hachimura.

In terms of Garland he has talent. There are games where he plays very confident and takes the shot at ease, just not aggressive yet. More confidence, more aggressive he is. I really like when both DG and KPJ are on the floor at the same time. They just seem to connect well and they will definitely improve together as the season goes on and next year.

 

[NIkeL]

This concern is valid

At #5 overall we should’ve seen a flash of greatness by now.

Should we though? It's a high pick, but it's already at a point where it can really be a hit or miss. I think greatness should not be "expected".

 

[avs2000]

He played what

Should we though? It's a high pick, but it's already at a point where it can really be a hit or miss. I think greatness should not be "expected".

he played a handful of college games. Is 20 years old and playing vs grown men and holding his own. Geez

 

[NIkeL]

He played what

he played a handful of college games. Is 20 years old and playing vs grown men and holding his own. Geez

And how does that even relate to what i said?

 

[NMCav]

Hate to be this guy but I hope to god we didn’t skip out on Culver and Hachimura because we have Osman and had Clarkson

There’s no way Garland was higher rated than those 2

He was clearly higher then Rui. That was general consenus by experts and teams at the draft. As far as Culver goes wolves liked him so much they added Beasley and Russell at the deadline. Two guys that play the same position.

 

[MrX]

garland has the tools to be an allstar, no doubt, but the thing that determines if he can reach his ceiling is the type of mentality he has. Does he have that mamba mentality? KPJ has it, and Sexton has boatloads. I want to see garland be aggressive, I'm talking pull up 3's, step-backs and cross overs lol

Mentality part is big however imo the 3pt part isn't the issue. He is aggressive from 3.

He takes 5.1 3PA with just shy but respectable 36% That's like near JR Smith volume who had career 5.2 3PA on 37%

He is still 2nd behind Morant in ast at 3.9 I don't think the importance of this can be over looked. No other rookie players are even close. Kendrick Nunn is close at 3.6 but went undrafted and wasn't even in this draft class.

He is an excellent FT shooter at 87% and this is the point offensive positives stop. As good as he is from the line he only gets 1.3 FTA per game. He to often avoids contact.

I hate that floater. It's a low percentage shot that avoids contact. The end result is poor percentage with little to no free bee's. That shot definitely contributes something to the poor 43% 2pt%

I hope he does strengthen up this off season and comes back with more contact inside. One of the great things about getting fouled is make the shot it helps your percentage and miss the shot it doesn't count against your percentage while giving you a chance to further improve your TS% from the line.

I mean just replacing the attempts from that one floater with agressive contact inside can have huge increase in efficiency.

 

[Green Lantern]

I don't understand,why some of yall give Sexton hell about his defense yet give others a pass. Especially,when half the time some of the players don't rotate to the right player and Sexton has to guard their player while he leaving his man open.

It's mainly Porter and Cedi that does this but Sexton get criticized about his defense.

Cuz I did..and he's not the only player who plays bad D.
Garland does too, but he gets worked down low or gets out of position..
Pretty much everyone critics all of the Cavs fo their lack of effort and awareness at times.
I don't give anyone a pass.

 

[Cavatt]

He is still thinking too much. the game hasn't truly slowed down yet. I want to see him launching 3's. Teams are leaving him space on the 3pt line and he needs to just bomb away.

He doesn't have quite the first step to just blow by guys, he needs the threat of his 3 ball to open up the game, but guys are giving him space on the perimeter. The second he starts to take advantage of that, the game will open up for him.

If you accept he is actually a good shooter, then you have to be optimistic that aspect will come around for him, and then all the work he put into playmaking and running the team right now is really going to pay off.

He looks better and better as a leader out there. Evrything though is dependent on that jumper being real, bending defenses, so that everything else works for him.

Trae did it last year, I woudl honestly not be mad if Garland took those kind of shots and just shot a lower percentage this year just so he could get used to it.

 

[MrX]

Cuz I did..and he's not the only player who plays bad D.
Garland does too, but he gets worked down low or gets out of position..
Pretty much everyone critics all of the Cavs fo their lack of effort and awareness at times.
I don't give anyone a pass.

I've just ignored the defense this year. To many rookies on the floor at once. They have all look bad at times though I see light at the end of the tunnel. Definitely will expect more next year.