• Changing RCF's index page, please click on "Forums" to access the forums.

Darius Kinnard Garland

Do Not Sell My Personal Information

What is Darius Garland's Ceiling?

  • One Time All-Star

    Votes: 18 11.0%
  • Occasional All-Star

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • 5-6 Time All-Star

    Votes: 31 19.0%
  • Perennial All-Star

    Votes: 40 24.5%
  • An All-NBA Team or Two

    Votes: 22 13.5%
  • Perennial All-NBA Teamer

    Votes: 20 12.3%
  • Occasional MVP Candidate

    Votes: 11 6.7%
  • Perennial MVP Candidate

    Votes: 2 1.2%
  • MVP, Baby!

    Votes: 10 6.1%
  • Being Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 8.0%

  • Total voters
    163
Turnovers need to come down for sure, but that’s not where he needs to make the biggest improvement. Even when you adjust for pace, his turnover numbers aren’t too dissimilar from other lead guards.

He needs to accomplish more in the possessions where he doesn’t turn it over. It was nice to see his A/T ratio improve last year to 2+, and I’d like to see it around 3 this year.

We’ve talked at length about him and Sexton needing to turn some of those midrange/floaters into 3PA, but it’s especially imperative for Garland. Behind the arc is where he can really kill the opponent.
 
The only people that hype Garland are Cavs brass and Klutch clients. And Curry showed a hell of a lot more in 2 years than Garland has.

We were one of the ten slowest teams at pace, one of the worst shooting teams, 2nd highest turnovers.

All led by Darius Garland and his 3 turnovers a game.
Apparently, the Olympic selection committee was high enough on him to invite him to join the select team.

Sexton had 2.8 turnovers a game. Garland is the clear winner when it comes to turnover to assist ratio between the two of them. Sexton also had the highest usage on the team by a wide margin, so if you have concerns about pace, maybe start with the guy who has the ball in his hands more than anyone else.

In fairness to both of them, I'd be interested in knowing what the pace looked like pre and post Drummond. Also, if your defense is as bad as our was on that West coast trip, a fast pace is not your friend.
 
The only people that hype Garland are Cavs brass and Klutch clients. And Curry showed a hell of a lot more in 2 years than Garland has.

We were one of the ten slowest teams at pace, one of the worst shooting teams, 2nd highest turnovers.

All led by Darius Garland and his 3 turnovers a game.

Curry also had 3 years of college experience vs 5 games of college. And Curry was 21 entering the league. The same age Garland is now.
 
Apparently, the Olympic selection committee was high enough on him to invite him to join the select team.

Sexton had 2.8 turnovers a game. Garland is the clear winner when it comes to turnover to assist ratio between the two of them. Sexton also had the highest usage on the team by a wide margin, so if you have concerns about pace, maybe start with the guy who has the ball in his hands more than anyone else.

In fairness to both of them, I'd be interested in knowing what the pace looked like pre and post Drummond. Also, if your defense is as bad as our was on that West coast trip, a fast pace is not your friend.
1) We've been over the Olympic select team ad nauseum. It's literally meaningless in the grand scheme of things and isn't the honor you think it is.

2) I expect the leading scorer and guy who owns the usage to have turnovers. You're going to when you have the ball in your hands that much. I don't expect my PG to barely tout a 2:1 AST/TO ratio. That's atrocious.

3) Pace is dictated by the guy running the offense. Garland is the sleepy looking guy taking 7 seconds to walk it up the court every time down.
Curry also had 3 years of college experience vs 5 games of college. And Curry was 21 entering the league. The same age Garland is now.
And I'd say that I saw a hell of a lot more out of Curry during his tourney run than I've ever seen out of Garland. I've never got the comparison because it's just absurd. Garland has never sniffed the kind of numbers Curry did at that age.
 
1) We've been over the Olympic select team ad nauseum. It's literally meaningless in the grand scheme of things and isn't the honor you think it is.

2) I expect the leading scorer and guy who owns the usage to have turnovers. You're going to when you have the ball in your hands that much. I don't expect my PG to barely tout a 2:1 AST/TO ratio. That's atrocious.

3) Pace is dictated by the guy running the offense. Garland is the sleepy looking guy taking 7 seconds to walk it up the court every time down.

And I'd say that I saw a hell of a lot more out of Curry during his tourney run than I've ever seen out of Garland. I've never got the comparison because it's just absurd. Garland has never sniffed the kind of numbers Curry did at that age.
No. 2 is the part I just can't with anymore. It's okay that Sexton turns it over a lot. It's okay that Sexton doesn't get assists. It's okay that more than 75% of Sexton's shots come from within the arc. It's okay that he has the highest usage. The absence of spacing is the fault of others including the team's best three point shooter. It's okay that he gives minimal effort on defense including the failure to do the simple Simon stuff you teach high school kids.

Sexton just isn't that guy. None of that is okay. It's why he's only a net positive on the floor when he's shooting at unsustainably high efficiency. Look at his monthly splits from last season. We've been a 20-win team for three years running and Sexton has had a hand in that.
 
No. 2 is the part I just can't with anymore. It's okay that Sexton turns it over a lot. It's okay that Sexton doesn't get assists. It's okay that more than 75% of Sexton's shots come from within the arc. It's okay that he has the highest usage. The absence of spacing is the fault of others including the team's best three point shooter. It's okay that he gives minimal effort on defense including the failure to do the simple Simon stuff you teach high school kids.

Sexton just isn't that guy. None of that is okay. It's why he's only a net positive on the floor when he's shooting at unsustainably high efficiency. Look at his monthly splits from last season. We've been a 20-win team for three years running and Sexton has had a hand in that.
See, now you're acting like my wife just throwing out random shit that was never said because you're getting emotional. Let's calm down and go through your whining.

1) Sexton's turnovers don't bother me as the leading scorer of the team.

2) Sexton's assists numbers are low, but his potential assists is in right in line with good SGs in the league. Nobody on the Cavs can shoot worth a shit.

3) Sexton shooting 75% of his shots as 2s. Jimmy Butler shoots for a career 80% of his shots inside the arc. Bradley Beal is at 65%. Cj McCollum is 65% for his career. Do I think that's a huge deal? Not at all. He's efficient, gets to the line. An extra couple 3s and a couple less drives a game would change his numbers to be more in line with other traditional top SGs.

4) The absence of spacing is having a team that shoots atrociously outside the arc. Cedi went from a 38% to 30% this year. Okoro at 29%. But sure, cry about Sexton because the spacing sucked.

5) Every leading scorer in the NBA is basically given a pass on defense because they're busy doing all the offensive side. I hate how Sexton handles screens, but I also hate JBB's 2001 NBA defense that's designed to funnel players into the middle. Yes he's a bad defender, but it's once again trending on the upwards, and not historically bad numbers. There has been improvement.

Sexton's rookie year doesn't count, because scorched earth LeBron-less rebuilds are always rough the first year. There was no record breaking losing streak, and that's good enough for me. Not to mention Ty Lue getting himself fired intentionally, and having Larry Drew be his coach the majority of the year. His second year is Beilein's horrible coaching, followed up with JBB and his outdated schemes and Covid. Last year you saw on full display how bad of a coach JBB is, but we just blamed it all on sub par players and yelled that Sexton was holding the team back. This year will be even more of the same, with the ever impressive Sidney Lowe backing up JBB's shitacular coaching.

I like Sexton and I'm very aware of his shortcomings and deficiencies. I accept the difficulties of building around a player like Sexton, but I'm not willing to place all the blame at his feet as most are so quick to do here. Our single biggest problem is a terrible coaching staff.
 
Neither Sexton nor Garland are "that guy". They both have multiple aspects of their games they need to work on. They can both be traded at any time if it improves the ball club. The Cavs have one potential franchise player and that is Mobley.

With that said I'm a fan of both Collin and Darius and believe they are both going to continue to improve. I think those two are big fans of each other too despite a big part of the fanbase that apparently wants to pit them against each other. Collin's scoring/drive and kick game along with Garland's craftiness/ facilitating lobs can be a really dynamic pairing esp now that minutes can be staggered with Rubio. Together esp on offense they can be a real force in the backcourt if Koby can somehow put a good surrounding cast around them. So far he has failed to do so esp at the wing. At least he addressed backup PG and the PF position this offseason. They still don't have a competent backup scoring SG or legit 2 way wing on the roster which is probably going to really hamper the team again this coming season.

I don't give either one of the guards a pass but otoh the supporting cast and coaching has been a huge detriment to each one of them as well. Advanced stats become pretty meaningless when they are on the court with G league players which was commonly happening last season.
 
After seeing Sexton's new diced physique which he also added tons of mass on, i'm going to switch my stance and be on team Sexton for a while. I can't get the boner down.
The old trick to getting rid of unwanted boners if flexing another muscle for an extended period of time. This is something the male role model in your life should've taught you as a teen.
 

Garland, who was limited to 54 games last season, showed flashes of breakout potential in April when he averaged 20.5 points on 48 percent shooting overall and 38.5 percent from beyond the arc with 7.3 assists for the Cavaliers.

“In theory, you’re picking a younger player who hasn’t broken out yet because of some reason, whether it’s either injuries or team dynamics, and they still have to have untapped upside,” an NBA executive explained. “Garland checks those boxes.”
 

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Video

Episode 3-14: "Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey"

Rubber Rim Job Podcast Spotify

Episode 3:14: " Time for Playoff Vengeance on Mickey."
Top