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Deshaun Watson Off the Field Thread v3: 11 games, $5M

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How many games does the NFL want to inflict

  • 6 + Fine

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • 8

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • 10

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • 12

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • Full Season

    Votes: 37 69.8%

  • Total voters
    53
  • Poll closed .
It's clear that the NFLPA got run over with this new procedure. What's the point of a Sue Robinson if Goodell can overturn her decisions with virtual impunity?

He should have announced the suspension before any of this nonsense (and certainly before the Browns traded the farm for Watson - oof).
 

I would think the NFL will argue for a per incident punishment even if it's just the 4 or 5 incidents that were in front of the judge. Like a person robs 4 or 5 liquor stores, they aren't going to get the same punishment as someone who robs just one.
 
It's clear that the NFLPA got run over with this new procedure. What's the point of a Sue Robinson if Goodell can overturn her decisions with virtual impunity?

He should have announced the suspension before any of this nonsense (and certainly before the Browns traded the farm for Watson - oof).

If Sue Robinson had ruled that Deshaun Watson should get a 0 game suspension, the NFL would not have been able to appeal.
 
I respect the time and the effort you've put into this. You wrote a lot, made salient points and clearly have an understanding of the law, but - and I mean this with the utmost respect because you're an excellent poster - you're smoking the hopium here in a big way. And giving other posters false hope about this process playing out in a positive way for Watson (and by extension the Browns) is borderline inappropriate IMO.

I think deep down, as well versed on these things as you clearly are, you're very aware that the odds of this going well for Watson is remarkably slim to the point of being negligible.
My post was not a judgement on where I think it will go nor have I expressed my own personal opinion on the matter.

It was to give people a clearer understanding of the legal aspect of the issue because there are a lot of opinions being thrown around as fact and talking heads acting like they are experts when they are not.

Moreover, it was to articulate why the position that there is a "negligible" chance of success for the NFLPA is incredibly premature given we do not know the full facts of the situation.

The problem with concrete assumptions and pronouncements when it comes to legal matters is that most of the time it comes from a less than complete understanding of how the law is applied. And in this case, sports talking heads have a buck to earn pushing absolute narratives.

Moreover, people need to be more cautious. On the face arguments only succeed when the actual legal test cannot be met. And the test can only be satisfied by the merits, the evidence of the case.

First and foremost: This is a new CBA and there is no precedent for this within the current disciplinary structure. Prior cases with Brady, Zeke, etc., are of very little help.

Second, when it comes to the merits: We do not know how many games, if any, Goodell will add. We do not know if the NFLPA can demonstrate that Watson has been marked for punishment from the beginning. We do not know what else has been said behind closed doors. We do not know a lot of things.

Jumping to the conclusion one way or another right is a leap in the dark. You do not know what is going on anymore than Los, or anyone else. That is the simple fact of the situation as it stands today.

Also, I am not here to dictate what people can or cannot think. I think people on both sides of the issue need to perhaps tone down the declarative statements.

As I said on the very day the trade was announced: We are not here to police people's opinions.
 
Now this changes things considerably.

An indefinite suspension is wholly unprecedented and way outside the bounds set forth by Sue Robinson.

This is probably going to be a lengthy battle if the suspension does actually become indefinite.

It is going to be a very messy and painful court battle.

Unless they settle at 12 games.
 
Two things:

1) Stop with personal attacks,

2) Stop trying to police people's opinions. We are here to discuss, not shut people down for disagreeing with us.


I am having to clean up the thread despite a lot of warnings from the mods and I may or may not be handing out warnings or bans.

Maybe 6 days. Maybe 12. Maybe indefinite.
 
Now this changes things considerably.

An indefinite suspension is wholly unprecedented and way outside the bounds set forth by Sue Robinson.

This is probably going to be a lengthy battle if the suspension does actually become indefinite.

It is going to be a very messy and painful court battle.

Unless they settle at 12 games.
If Goodell actually goes for the indefinite suspension, I think that's great for us.

To me, that's signaling that the NFL, NFLPA and Watson are still working together on this. Expanding to a year, or something else specific, would likely stand. Indefinite gives the NFLPA the best chance to beat it in federal court.

If the NFLPA defeats an indefinite suspension in federal court, it's a win-win.
  1. Watson/NFLPA probably walk away with the six-game suspension from the initial hearing.
  2. The NFL gets to appease its fans by saying "Hey, look, we TRIED to have morals. We just got told we couldn't. We're good, we promise!"
 
This is gonna end up at 12 games and a fine somewhere between 5 and 10 million dollars. Seems obvious at this point.

NFL Lawyer scuttlebutt may have been more accurate than initially thought.
 
The funny thing about numerous people calling this a "clown show" is that a decision to increase the suspension will be universally praised by basically anyone who isn't A. a Browns fan, B. Deshaun Watson, C. the highest ranking members of the NFLPA.

Pretty much everyone else thinks Watson got off way too light with 6 games and is in full throated support of a longer suspension.
 

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