Dylan “Breaking” Windler is a Laker. How much help does LeBron need!?

[NMCav]

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Three returning starters are good or great shooters (Sexton, Cedi, Love), and overall the Cavs were a pretty alright 3-point shooting team last year. Plus, Goga's one of the best 3-point shooting centers to come into the NBA...and 3-point shooting centers are much rarer than 3-point shooting wings.

Also don't agree that KPJ has higher upside than Windler. I think people are assuming that because he has this checkered past and difficult personality there must be greatness somewhere underneath. But what if there's really just mediocrity underneath? He didn't even have the one token 30-point outburst you expect from that kind of prospect. His season was just a dozen or so highlight-reel plays with a whole lot of bad basketball in between.

Cedi is above average as a shooter hes not a good shooter yet. Cedi of course has upside to become a good shooter. Beilein likes to have 3 to 4 shooters in any given lineup. Adding Garland, Windler, Kevin Porter Jr. allows him to have much more flexibility.

As for higher upside KPJ was top ten on the Cavaliers draft board according to both local and national media. I am not saying it because its what I think but because its been reported as such. KPJ has a low floor I am not in disagreement with that. But his ceiling is higher then Windler because he can create for himself some even called him the best iso scorer in the draft. He played 22 games in college, 18 of which were after injuries/suspensions he never got to get into a rhythm. His ceiling is sky high but his floor is below the basement. To argue Windler has higher upside is crazy, too say Windler has a much higher floor would be correct.

 

[Nathan S]

Cedi is above average as a shooter hes not a good shooter yet. Cedi of course has upside to become a good shooter. Beilein likes to have 3 to 4 shooters in any given lineup. Adding Garland, Windler, Kevin Porter Jr. allows him to have much more flexibility.

As for higher upside KPJ was top ten on the Cavaliers draft board according to both local and national media. I am not saying it because its what I think but because its been reported as such. KPJ has a low floor I am not in disagreement with that. But his ceiling is higher then Windler because he can create for himself some even called him the best iso scorer in the draft. He played 22 games in college, 18 of which were after injuries/suspensions he never got to get into a rhythm. His ceiling is sky high but his floor is below the basement. To argue Windler has higher upside is crazy, too say Windler has a much higher floor would be correct.

He's certainly a very willing iso scorer...I've yet to see any evidence that he's a good iso scorer, let alone the best in the draft. And my take is that iso scorers are generally pretty worthless unless they're absolutely ridiculous shooters and/or finishers, which KPJ certainly is not.

 

[NMCav]

He's certainly a very willing iso scorer...I've yet to see any evidence that he's a good iso scorer, let alone the best in the draft. And my take is that iso scorers are generally pretty worthless unless they're absolutely ridiculous shooters and/or finishers, which KPJ certainly is not.

Hes a good finisher. Doesn't take it to the rack enough because he needs to be coached up. His main issue in college was he tried to be James Harden and his coach never told him to stop. He always does the James Harden step back mid range jumper. Alls the Cavaliers have to do is get him to stop taking long midrange jumpers and take threes like they did with Sexton. I am not the one who said he was the best Iso Scorer in the draft it was more then 1 draft pundit. His upside is clearly sky high thats all I am saying. I am not saying hes going to reach his ceiling. But he had one of the higher ceilings in the draft. But this is a Dylan Windler thread so lets get back to talking about Dylan. Dylan can flat out shoot from range. Gonna be a great fit for Coach Beilein.

 

[Jordan]

Cedi is above average as a shooter hes not a good shooter yet. Cedi of course has upside to become a good shooter. Beilein likes to have 3 to 4 shooters in any given lineup. Adding Garland, Windler, Kevin Porter Jr. allows him to have much more flexibility.

As for higher upside KPJ was top ten on the Cavaliers draft board according to both local and national media. I am not saying it because its what I think but because its been reported as such. KPJ has a low floor I am not in disagreement with that. But his ceiling is higher then Windler because he can create for himself some even called him the best iso scorer in the draft. He played 22 games in college, 18 of which were after injuries/suspensions he never got to get into a rhythm. His ceiling is sky high but his floor is below the basement. To argue Windler has higher upside is crazy, too say Windler has a much higher floor would be correct.

It’s amazing, really... every team drafted guys that were top ten on their draft board! It happens every year, too! Also, in breaking news, every team in the lottery drafted their top or second favorite prospect.

 

[Cavatt]

It’s amazing, really... every team drafted guys that were top ten on their draft board! It happens every year, too! Also, in breaking news, every team in the lottery drafted their top or second favorite prospect.

I tend to believe it. I think they were going to use JR to get him, and he fell in their laps. No doubt he is the type of Clarkson player that Koby likes.

I still think his Handle is the best in this class at least at his size.
He has good defensive instincts.
His functional athleticism is pretty good. He can dunk from a standstill under the basket.
His finishing is very good.
He can shoot some.
Great footwork and lateral mobility

That's a nice list of attributes for the 30th overall. Eyenga could only do 1 maybe 2 of those things.

I won't say KPJ has a higher ceiling than Windler because what Windler is done is actually proven he has a higher ceiling than what anyone thought already. He has improved a lot year by year, and seems to know what parts of his game to work on and has a high IQ. Right now he is more likely to reach his ceiling and i think he landed in the right spot. KPJ, there is no data what his 19-22 period will be like yet.

 

[Jordan]

I tend to believe it. I think they were going to use JR to get him, and he fell in their laps. No doubt he is the type of Clarkson player that Koby likes.

I still think his Handle is the best in this class at least at his size.
He has good defensive instincts.
His functional athleticism is pretty good. He can dunk from a standstill under the basket.
His finishing is very good.
He can shoot some.
Great footwork and lateral mobility

That's a nice list of attributes for the 30th overall. Eyenga could only do 1 maybe 2 of those things.

I won't say KPJ has a higher ceiling than Windler because what Windler is done is actually proven he has a higher ceiling than what anyone thought already. He has improved a lot year by year, and seems to know what parts of his game to work on and has a high IQ. Right now he is more likely to reach his ceiling and i think he landed in the right spot. KPJ, there is no data what his 19-22 period will be like yet.

I respect your opinion... I didn’t mean to be a dick to you.

All I’m saying is that every team says this every year. And frankly, if KPJ was in the Cavs’ top-ten, it implies that they got three of their top-ten prospects. I would be concerned if their top-ten was that substantially different than the rest of the NBA.

On top of that, we know from reports they also liked Hunter, Barrett, Zion, and Ja. So what we’d be effectively saying is the Cavs had three players that went between pick 6-25 and 27-29 they also ranked in their top-ten. That’s just a stunningly low number, especially for a draft that went pretty close to normal predictions.

I’m sure they had KPJ rated higher than 30. I just doubt it was in their top-ten unless - and this is possible - those ten were only players that the Cavs thought would be available when they pick.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

I’m sure they had KPJ rated higher than 30. I just doubt it was in their top-ten unless - and this is possible - those ten were only players that the Cavs thought would be available when they pick.

I believe it's this.

 

[Cavatt]

Yeah Top 10 maybe not, but I do believe reports they wanted to get into the late lottery for him.

 

[Jordan]

Yeah Top 10 maybe not, but I do believe reports they wanted to get into the late lottery for him.

100% agreed! He's a good prospect for a late pick. Ditto for Windler.

 

[dark2332]

So, how many Cavs make the Rising Stars challenge at All-Star weekend?

Because this kid is a dark horse.

 

[Green Lantern]

Met a time traveler last night at the bar.

You'll all be happy to know that in at least one timeline that may or may not happen, Windler was our stud from the draft that people wondered how he fell to 26. Like at that point in the future, he had been in 6 all star games. So. I'm just reporting what I was told.

Really? Which one told U that mess?

 

[cabs]

So, how many Cavs make the Rising Stars challenge at All-Star weekend?

Because this kid is a dark horse.

Just the 5. Sexton, Garland, Windler, Porter, Wade

 

[rcj47]

Does anyone know anything about Windler? Was he beating up on weak teams? I mean his game looks like it will translate to me, and his athletic testing is really surprising and looks fantastic. Is this a case of a guy playing really well in college and then the team sees his combine number sand saying, "looks like he can hang in the NBA", or is it just a guy Beilein is impressed with because he has developed well in college?

He played in the Ohio Valley Conference, same as Morant but a low/medium competition level of teams. You can look at that different ways but I think it really depends on what skill you are looking at. For example, I'd be much more concerned about his getting to the hoop ability v lesser competition than I would a skill like distance shooting. Steph Curry for example played at Davidson and he has had no problem continuing his great distance shooting in the NBA. Also; Windler was guarded well in college because every opposing team knew what a threat he was from deep and often would hit 3s with a hand in his face. The last thing I would worry about is his shooting from distance but he needs, like any shooter, decent amount of playing time and shot opportunities.

Altman said after they drafted him that he does a lot of things well and they were focusing on players that can dribble, drive, pass, and shoot and Windler fits that. I'm more intrigued by his passing in the NBA than what he showed in college with real threats around him and hopefully more spacing.

I doubt he will average 10 rebounds per game but I do think he will be a good rebounder in the NBA. Kevin Love is one of the best rebounders I've watched - isn't going to outmuscle people but just has a knack for knowing how to get in position and where the ball is coming from and I see a bit of that in Windler. He is also very active when it comes to rebounding and has the mentality where he wants to get the ball.

My only negative on him is I think he could use more weight on him and will have issues with bigger players because of this. I think the whole defense thing is up in the air, not just on him but for all of the Cavs players until we see what Bickerstaff and the other coaches do with it. But I'm also one that is more a believer in team defense than individual freak one of one type that makes a true difference in the game. I think players like that are rare (Gobert). I also think it is a waste of time to judge young NBA players on defense. They have so much to learn in the pro game early on in their careers and you also have guys that are one and done types where their bodies aren't even mature yet.

 

[avs2000]

I also like he played on college for 4 years. The whole team cannot be 19

 

[KB]

Met a time traveler last night at the bar.

You'll all be happy to know that in at least one timeline that may or may not happen, Windler was our stud from the draft that people wondered how he fell to 26. Like at that point in the future, he had been in 6 all star games. So. I'm just reporting what I was told.

It wasn't John Titor was it ?