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That’s my thinking, get what you can to the 40, worry about Hedges backup after R5 draft. What I don’t know enough of is truly how close Lavastida/Naylor are and what their floor/ceilings are. Sure I can read some scouting reports but it isn’t the same as seeing them every day. So really, how close are they and how good will they be when they arrive? That would play into how aggressive the FO gets in obtaining a backup for Hedges. Like I mentioned earlier, it would be nice to get Berto back. I may be off base, but a possible contract would be to take that $7M for 2022 and spin it into $7M over 2 years. Absolute worst case is the team eats $3M in 2023, but if a reduced-use Berto makes it OK through 2022 and someone is knocking loudly on the big league door, maybe Berto is a bit easier to deal?

Hedges will be a free agent for 23... Perez is signed for 7 mil in 22, so I would personally resign him to a like a 2 year-4 million per season type of thing to give Lavastida a backup/veteran to pair him with...

To me Naylor hasn't had a good season, so his ranking was dropping, so he needs to show up in 22 (he is rule 5 eligible in 23). Lavastida is a guy converted from the INF (in college) to catcher (in the minors, so think of Tony Wolters that way) so he is more athletic but still needs some time there, but MLB.com had him jump way up in their prospect rankings. Essentially I would call him an inexperienced catcher that is a plus athlete (can swipe 10-15 bags a season) for the position, with a plus contact skill (I'd compare his bat profile to Mark Loretta/Ian Kinsler type). I don't think he's pro ready defensively in 22, but needs to be protected since I think his bat is very close if not MLB ready... That how I see it, so I don't think Lavastida is pro ready in 22, but having a spring around Sandy, Hedges, Perez etc would I think greatly increase his skillset...
 
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Jose is one of the best players on the planet. Marte is merely a very good player.

Rocchio is arguably our best position prospect and will be MLB ready at some point next year. The two prospects LA would be sending are years away. I wouldn't trade Rocchio for both of them.

Marte has been worth 2.1 fWAR this year. Amed has been worth 2.2. Straw has been worth 3.1.

Jose has been worth 5.0 fWAR.

Marte has been worth 1.2 bWAR. Amed has been worth 1.5. Straw has been worth 2.6.

Jose has been worth 5.4 bWAR.

Marte is under control for one more year than Jose, so there is that...but overall this trade would make us worse next year and in 2023.

As GM, I would want a whole lot more in terms of immediate MLB production at low cost, if I was to trade Jose and Rocchio.
 

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Jose is one of the best players on the planet. Marte is merely a very good player.

Rocchio is arguably our best position prospect and will be MLB ready at some point next year. The two prospects LA would be sending are years away. I wouldn't trade Rocchio for both of them.

Marte has been worth 2.1 fWAR this year. Amed has been worth 2.2. Straw has been worth 3.1.

Jose has been worth 5.0 fWAR.

Marte has been worth 1.2 bWAR. Amed has been worth 1.5. Straw has been worth 2.6.

Jose has been worth 5.4 bWAR.

Marte is under control for one more year than Jose, so there is that...but overall this trade would make us worse next year and in 2023.

As GM, I would want a whole lot more in terms of immediate MLB production at low cost, if I was to trade Jose and Rocchio.

I get getting a Marte for JRam if we cannot extend JRam, but like you said, it doesn't make us any better, if anything we still have to make more moves. Now if you put Marte in front of JRam in the lineup, I think you really made your lineup way better (but Marte's best position is 2B, but will likely end up in LF/RF here)
 

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I get getting a Marte for JRam if we cannot extend JRam, but like you said, it doesn't make us any better, if anything we still have to make more moves. Now if you put Marte in front of JRam in the lineup, I think you really made your lineup way better (but Marte's best position is 2B, but will likely end up in LF/RF here)
I think you have the right idea.

One thing about Marte...the DBacks line up very well with the Guardians for trade possibilities.
 

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I think you have the right idea.

One thing about Marte...the DBacks line up very well with the Guardians for trade possibilities.

Do you think he will be cheaper in a trade than Reynolds? Reynolds I think is the better player of the two personally but if we can get Marte without giving up as many prospects, we may be better off in a way.
 

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I think you have the right idea.

One thing about Marte...the DBacks line up very well with the Guardians for trade possibilities.
The DBax do ( link: www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-57691/ )

If the deal can be expanded to include a more "ready now" position player (imho, Bobby Miller is going to be ready to go in 2022), then that added "bat" could be Alek Thomas or Seth Beer..making the deal:

Dodgers get: Jose Ramirez
DBax get: Miguel Vargas & Brayan Rocchio,
Guardians get: Bobby Miller, Diego Cartaya & Ketel Marte

So, a separate deal could be in the offing if, staying with the DBax..:

DBax get: Bo Naylor and Zach Plesac
Guardians get: Alek Thomas

Disagree with the notion that by trading an unextended JRam, the Indians would be worse in both 2022 and 2023.. The deal as presented, stands alone as a mostly lateral move from an on field in 2022 perspective.. and a plus move from a roster/future perspective..

W/ the second part of the deal (purely hypothetical.. and just as unlikely as the first part).. the Guardians would become equally dangerous as Ketel Marte/Alek Thomas added to added to the everyday lineup would significantly lengthen the order.. There are at least six other "teams/names" where this kind of "deal" can work..

It should be noted.. these kinds of hypothetical.. never happen.. but.. that's the point of the thread.. what if?.

Thoughts?..
 

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The DBax do ( link: www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-57691/ )

If the deal can be expanded to include a more "ready now" position player (imho, Bobby Miller is going to be ready to go in 2022), then that added "bat" could be Alek Thomas or Seth Beer..making the deal:

Dodgers get: Jose Ramirez
DBax get: Miguel Vargas & Brayan Rocchio,
Guardians get: Bobby Miller, Diego Cartaya & Ketel Marte

So, a separate deal could be in the offing if, staying with the DBax..:

DBax get: Bo Naylor and Zach Plesac
Guardians get: Alek Thomas

Disagree with the notion that by trading an unextended JRam, the Indians would be worse in both 2022 and 2023.. The deal as presented, stands alone as a mostly lateral move from an on field in 2022 perspective.. and a plus move from a roster/future perspective..

W/ the second part of the deal (purely hypothetical.. and just as unlikely as the first part).. the Guardians would become equally dangerous as Ketel Marte/Alek Thomas added to added to the everyday lineup would significantly lengthen the order.. There are at least six other "teams/names" where this kind of "deal" can work..

It should be noted.. these kinds of hypothetical.. never happen.. but.. that's the point of the thread.. what if?.

Thoughts?..
There's a greater likelihood that Dennis Kucinich is named People Magazine's Sexiest Man of the Year for 2021 than the Guardians trading Jose Ramirez and Brayan Rocchio this offseason.
 

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Do you think he will be cheaper in a trade than Reynolds? Reynolds I think is the better player of the two personally but if we can get Marte without giving up as many prospects, we may be better off in a way.
yes.. Reynolds is going to be anywhere from 40 to 60 % higher in value than Ketel Marte.. imo.. He and marte and thomas combined would make the Guardians the team to beat in the AL Central.. All together, it would cost the Guardians about six or seven high value prospects. JRam and Plesac. Hopefully, none of the prospects are named Valera or Espino...
 

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There's a greater likelihood that Dennis Kucinich is named People Magazine's Sexiest Man of the Year for 2021 than the Guardians trading Jose Ramirez and Brayan Rocchio this offseason.
Okay.. no negativism but you already know that...
 

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Anyway, this thread is supposedly about what any of us WOULD do as GM from now to opening day, not about trade speculation.

So far, not a lot of people are playing.

But one thing I would not do is trade Jose, whether he is extended or not. As I've said earlier, as GM I'm playing to win in 2022. I've got enough prospects, and I want to finally get some MLB production out of them.

So many fans see the Guardians as a 'poor' franchise, because of the financial restrictions. As GM I see the org as wealthy, with plenty of assets...monetary and talent....to spend.

I'm not about to rebuild or reset. I'm gonna reload and add to what we do have. $70 mil and an overabundance of prospects will buy a lot of offense....and set the team up for the next three years, which is the minimum that I will have most of my rotation.
 

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Making trades is apart of a GMs job though so some trade speculation will happen in a thread like this and evaluating trades isn't a bad thing. My was even more out there since I traded a player I just went and traded for...

I feel the consensus is our SP is fine, we may even be deep enough to move Plesac.

Most of the bullpen is fine, but if we got a veteran LHP with closing experience, no one would have any qualms.

We need to eventually to get a bat though in 22, at least in the form of a Canha, but I think most of us would like a Marte or Reynolds to help JRam...
 

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Making trades is apart of a GMs job though so some trade speculation will happen in a thread like this and evaluating trades isn't a bad thing. My was even more out there since I traded a player I just went and traded for...

I feel the consensus is our SP is fine, we may even be deep enough to move Plesac.

Most of the bullpen is fine, but if we got a veteran LHP with closing experience, no one would have any qualms.

We need to eventually to get a bat though in 22, at least in the form of a Canha, but I think most of us would like a Marte or Reynolds to help JRam...

I want a FA like Canha AND a major addition via trade. As I indicated earlier, I think both can be done within a $70 mil payroll.

Your idea for this thread was interesting and unique, because it allowed all of us to say exactly what we would do...kinda put it on the line for everybody to see, without evolving into yet another thread of endless trade speculation.

We have lots of posters that are eager to speculate and say what they wouldn't do. And more who say what they would do, but never say how they would do it.

We have those who insist that kids like Gonzalez and Kwan should be on the 40 man, but never say how on earth they would fit them in. For every addition there has to be a subtraction. The premise of your thread was designed to allow everybody to offer their additions and subtractions....and how they would reach both within a budget.
 

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I want a FA like Canha AND a major addition via trade. As I indicated earlier, I think both can be done within a $70 mil payroll.

Your idea for this thread was interesting and unique, because it allowed all of us to say exactly what we would do...kinda put it on the line for everybody to see, without evolving into yet another thread of endless trade speculation.

We have lots of posters that are eager to speculate and say what they wouldn't do. And more who say what they would do, but never say how they would do it.

We have those who insist that kids like Gonzalez and Kwan should be on the 40 man, but never say how on earth they would fit them in. For every addition there has to be a subtraction. The premise of your thread was designed to allow everybody to offer their additions and subtractions....and how they would reach both within a budget.
Free Agency = the land of diminishing returns.. The CLEFO has buttered they bread and made their best / most affirmative strides in the trade market.. Trading veteran players for two and three ML ready and near ML ready players.. Canha / Starlin / Others.. will be better than ______________ insert name of the latest whipping boy (Zimmer, Weird, Daniel, other).. but, maybe not..

We'll see.. the FA Market is looking pretty sad.. as someone else has stated..
 

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Free Agency = the land of diminishing returns.. The CLEFO has buttered they bread and made their best / most affirmative strides in the trade market.. Trading veteran players for two and three ML ready and near ML ready players.. Canha / Starlin / Others.. will be better than ______________ insert name of the latest whipping boy (Zimmer, Weird, Daniel, other).. but, maybe not..

We'll see.. the FA Market is looking pretty sad.. as someone else has stated..

Free agency doesn't look very good to be, which is why in my hot take I was like we just need to sign Bryant lol We will be able to sign a couple free agents if need be, the question is will any of them be worth it?
 

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Free agency doesn't look very good to be, which is why in my hot take I was like we just need to sign Bryant lol We will be able to sign a couple free agents if need be, the question is will any of them be worth it?
With the CA$H restricted to about $ 20 MM more than what the Indians spent in 2021.. this is going to be a lean winter for this GM..
 
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