Evan Mobley: 2023 All Defensive 1st Team

[letgocavs]

This team does seem at its best through him. Give it to him in the post, at the elbow, whatever

 

[Cavatt]

This team does seem at its best through him. Give it to him in the post, at the elbow, whatever

I want to see more offensive rebounding with kicks to the 3pt line. Wow.

Yeah he demolished the zone Miami was playing. We saw that at time working from the elbow last year. They went away from it later, but that is going to be a deadly combination with Garland and Mitchell at either wing or one in the corner. He just a has a lot of options there. He can get it to a guard or dump it to Allen. He makes the right move most of the time

 

[I'mWithDan]

My hesitation has always been anointing him as the #1 option in the future, all the talk about "unicorn" etc. When I criticize his dribbling and shot creation abilities, that is what I am talking about.

Evan's per 100, year 2:

22.5 PPG, 12.1 REB, 3.6 AST, 1.4 STL, 2.0 BLK

Mystery players per 100, year 2:

20.7 PPG, 10.9 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.7 BLK

Whose numbers were those in year 2?

Spoiler: See this mystery player

Giannis

 

[guitarguy]

Teams simply evaluated wrong in passing on Mobley. He didn't need a jumper to be the #1 overall pick. If you search this thread, I put together a long list of amateur scouting reports pulled from RealGM and Reddit on Mobley in the 18ish months leading up to his draft. The fans knew. Two NBA teams didn't. That's why I give NBA teams no benefit of the doubt or assume they know what they are doing, because so many do not. There's a good chance that Jalen Green will never be a better player at any point in his career than Mobley is today. Ditto for Cade Cunningham.

For what it's worth, I do think it's fairly likely Cunningham does become a superstar, similar to someone like Harden, he's got a lot going for him, but saying that I think we'd all rather have a Garnett/Duncan than a Harden any day of the week.

 

[Cavatt]

Evan's per 100, year 2:

22.5 PPG, 12.1 REB, 3.6 AST, 1.4 STL, 2.0 BLK

Mystery players per 100, year 2:

20.7 PPG, 10.9 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.7 BLK

Whose numbers were those in year 2?

Spoiler: See this mystery player

Giannis

I didn't realize Giannis' 2nd year was so good

 

[Kouki]

Evan's per 100, year 2:

22.5 PPG, 12.1 REB, 3.6 AST, 1.4 STL, 2.0 BLK

Mystery players per 100, year 2:

20.7 PPG, 10.9 REB, 4.2 AST, 1.5 STL, 1.7 BLK

Whose numbers were those in year 2?

Spoiler: See this mystery player

Giannis

Compare their shooting numbers and you will see evidence that the situations are drastically different.

Not saying Mobley wouldn't put up comparable if not better offensive numbers if he was in the same situation. Just that the situations are so different that it's kind of a lazy comparison. Certainly it takes skill and athleticism to be in the right spot at the right time and make the bucket, I am not discrediting Mobley for doing what he does, but I would imagine the numbers would look quite different if you swapped Brandon Knight with Darius Garland.

Giannis:


Mobley:

 

[CroopZ23]

The baby giraffe has ascended to new heights this past week. I am impressed and hope this is the beginning of his perennial all star campaign

 

[The Oi]

Done with this guy.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Compare their shooting numbers and you will see evidence that the situations are drastically different.

Not saying Mobley wouldn't put up comparable if not better offensive numbers if he was in the same situation. Just that the situations are so different that it's kind of a lazy comparison. Certainly it takes skill and athleticism to be in the right spot at the right time and make the bucket, I am not discrediting Mobley for doing what he does, but I would imagine the numbers would look quite different if you swapped Brandon Knight with Darius Garland.

Giannis:
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Mobley:
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Possibly, but they were playing vastly different roles. He should have fewer assisted shots. Giannis was playing SF full-time when he first came into the league, and Kidd was forcing Giannis to play more-and-more PG despite it not necessarily being the best for the team at that time. He didn't start playing PF full-time until his 5th year in the league because he wasn't strong enough.

The more apt comparison has always been Garnett. This is using Mobley's rookie year since it's the only full year we have. Garnett's second year is shown because that's more where Mobley is physically and it's more in line with total attempts, and that was also Garnett's 1st All-Star appearance. Maybe we can knock KG down a notch or two.

Let's see what we have here:

Mobley Year 1 (20): 65.2%Ast'd on 2PA





Garnett Year 2 (21):
1st All-Star




Garnett Year 5 (24) : First season under 65% Ast'd or under on 2PA
5th in MVP voting 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA, 2x-All Defense



So it took Garnett five years to become more of a 'creator' as defined by %Ast'd despite the fact he was an MVP level player by every metric and award for several years prior.

 

[CroopZ23]

Possibly, but they were playing vastly different roles. He should have fewer assisted shots. Giannis was playing SF full-time when he first came into the league, and Kidd was forcing Giannis to play more-and-more PG despite it not necessarily being the best for the team at that time. He didn't start playing PF full-time until his 5th year in the league because he wasn't strong enough.

The more apt comparison has always been Garnett. This is using Mobley's rookie year since it's the only full year we have. Garnett's second year is shown because that's more where Mobley is physically and it's more in line with total attempts, and that was also Garnett's 1st All-Star appearance. Maybe we can knock KG down a notch or two.

Let's see what we have here:

Mobley Year 1 (20): 65.2%Ast'd on 2PA

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Garnett Year 2 (21):
1st All-Star

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Garnett Year 5 (24) : First season under 65% Ast'd or under on 2PA
5th in MVP voting 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA, 2x-All Defense

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So it took Garnett five years to become more of a 'creator' as defined by %Ast'd despite the fact he was an MVP level player by every metric and award for several years prior.

One thing these stats do not account for is tenacity. Again, Mobley was amazing this past week. But there is something to be said about the intensity of KG and his leadership. Also, outside shooting for a power forward 30 years ago was considered a rare skill. Entering the league as a PF in 2022, it is almost a requisite to be able to stretch the floor. I would imagine KG's stats nowadays would be highly inflated relative to the 90's. That said-if Mobley continues what he did this past week...the doubters will evaporate.

 

[Kouki]

Possibly, but they were playing vastly different roles.

That's the first thing I said lol

The more apt comparison has always been Garnett. This is using Mobley's rookie year since it's the only full year we have. Garnett's second year is shown because that's more where Mobley is physically and it's more in line with total attempts, and that was also Garnett's 1st All-Star appearance. Maybe we can knock KG down a notch or two.

Let's see what we have here:

Mobley Year 1 (20): 65.2%Ast'd on 2PA

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Garnett Year 2 (21):
1st All-Star

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Garnett Year 5 (24) : First season under 65% Ast'd or under on 2PA
5th in MVP voting 4x All-Star, 3x All-NBA, 2x-All Defense

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So it took Garnett five years to become more of a 'creator' as defined by %Ast'd despite the fact he was an MVP level player by every metric and award for several years prior.

I very much agree that KG is a more telling comparison overall and I think Mobley fits that kind of an archetype and possibly has that kind of a ceiling. Gets a bit difficult to compare in too much detail because the game has evolved so much.

If only Windler could be our Wally Szczerbiak.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

One thing these stats do not account for is tenacity. Again, Mobley was amazing this past week. But there is something to be said about the intensity of KG and his leadership.

If only he had a bit more moxie.

I feel like the reason why you don’t understand people taking issue with criticisms is that many of the criticisms are looking at a 2nd year player through the lens of All-NBA and HOF players in their prime and not where they are relative to development, but that’s just me.

Also, outside shooting for a power forward 30 years ago was considered a rare skill. Entering the league as a PF in 2022, it is almost a requisite to be able to stretch the floor. I would imagine KG's stats nowadays would be highly inflated relative to the 90's. That said-if Mobley continues what he did this past week...the doubters will evaporate.

This just isn’t true. It takes even the best shooters time to adapt to shooting in the NBA. Please point out to me the elite shooting big men that entered the NBA lighting the league on fire from three. I’ll wait.

 

[CroopZ23]

If only he had a bit more moxie.

I feel like the reason why you don’t understand people taking issue with criticisms is that many of the criticisms are looking at a 2nd year player through the lens of All-NBA and HOF players in their prime and not where they are relative to development, but that’s just me.



This just isn’t true. It takes even the best shooters time to adapt to shooting in the NBA. Please point out to me the elite shooting big men that entered the NBA lighting the league on fire from three. I’ll wait.

I am not someone who employs stats behind my analysis of basketball. Yes, perhaps that makes me ignorant. I have just noticed, throughout years of watching, the evolution of the big man. I think it is accurate to label Mobley as being pretty limited as an outside shooter at this moment. However, last game he did seem comfortable and fluid with the 12 footer...thats a start. Apologize for my laziness- I just don't really find analytics to be amusing- but they are very important nonetheless.

 

[Kouki]

This just isn’t true. It takes even the best shooters time to adapt to shooting in the NBA. Please point out to me the elite shooting big men that entered the NBA lighting the league on fire from three. I’ll wait.

 

[I'mWithDan]

Not saying Mobley wouldn't put up comparable if not better offensive numbers if he was in the same situation. Just that the situations are so different that it's kind of a lazy comparison.

It’s not a lazy comparison. It is showing that people generally cannot tell if someone can or cannot be a #1 option at this point.

The fact that you seem so sure of your opinion, with little to back it up, than you know…..just your opinion, is what most are reacting to.

Do I think he’ll be a number 1 option? Probably not……but there’s also lots of people who I would have said the same about, at this point in their career, who did go on to do so.

Mobley is producing at a high level in year 2. I think people just have unrealistic expectations for how players of his position, age and body type develop.