Fallout 3 Game thread

[Man Called X]

How about the gameplay of Oblivion though, neverminding the graphic elements? Despite my ups and downs with Fallout 3, I'm kind of on an RPG kick these days after playing Fallout & Fable 2 recently.

I'm interested to hear people's opinions on Oblivion.

I wasn't a big fan of Oblivion either. Yet, I loved Morrowwind. I really never got into wRPGs as much as I did jRPGs. I've never liked the 1st person tactic for RPGs in general. That said, I'm not much of a fan of adding "RPG elements" to what is essentially an action/button smasher. I understand that Fallout and Oblivion both have the ability to switch between 1st and 3rd person views, but the camera angle for 3rd person always felt so off when compared to any other game that made that the default angle.

Directly related to Oblivion, after you read 830 pages of texts to find out that you need something that occured 15 hours earlier in the game got rather repetitive. I suppose all RPGs are like that, but having to hear the same voice do it for an entire game, I got sick of it real quick. I've never been a big fan of Bethesda's writing either.

My favorite RPG on the 360 is Mass Effect, just because it seemed to take a different route from all the other action/RPGs I've played in the past. Star Ocean 4 looks like it could be good, but I hear it suffers from the tiny text if not on an HDTV syndrome that plagued Dead Rising. As far as traditional turn based RPGs, Blue Dragon starts off slow, but it picks up towards the end. It definitely hits that traditional spot in RPGs that causes me to quit playing them. The extra hours inbetween your last story section, and off to do the final dungeon/boss area. It always requires multiple trips around the world map, dozens of side-quests, or endless grinding to level up enough. Usually once it hits that spot where all the extra stuff must be done if you want the full experience of the game, that's when I get bored. They really need to do a better job of setting up the extra side-quests as being more essential to the game. Why am I traveling to random unknown cave for some random enemy I've never heard mentioned the entire game?

I really think the reason I loved Mass Effect so much was because of how it handled the side-quests. Albeit, it feels rather repetitive to go to unexplored planet, and do 2-3 missions that are as generic as the surroundings. The extra parts were that doing those things would help you to understand the ME Universe much better. Extra entries would be added to the Codex, back stories get fleshed out, etc. While they weren't essential to finishing the game in any aspect, it made the atmosphere of the game feel more realistic. That things truly did happen outside of my direct influence with the universe. I feel this aspect gets forgotten.

If you're really into RPGs, your best bet is buying a used fat PS2 and a copy of Swap Magic. I've still got a backlog of about 20+ RPGs I need to finish on it. Need to get around to playing SMT soon. But first I need to buy new copies of Persona 4, Nocturne, DDS1/2, and Devil Summoner 1/2.

 

[David]

-Reasons for it's suckiness-

The story made no sense, Yeah graphics are fun, For a while, Then it just gets annoying.

Another thing that pisses me off is when raiders shot you from like 323325636236 miles away, And you can barely even see them. Another one is that when you have the raiders armor on and crap they still shoot you, It's like, WTF? how do they know I'm not a raider? Or when I go into a city and steal something by accident (I.E. Megaton and that bar with 13235235 things on the table) and you try to talk to someone you steal something and it screws the whole entire game up...

 

[DawgOnKing]

Again, I enjoy open-ended RPG's but they need to find a way to limit the main quest line. You should reach a point in the main quest that halts until you've explored/finished some of the side quests.

If nothing less, include the world you've created in the main quest. Being able to complete Fallout without even seeing the Wash Mon, Lincoln Mon, White House, etc was just absurd.

 

[ohbarrett]

I wasn't a big fan of Oblivion either. Yet, I loved Morrowwind. I really never got into wRPGs as much as I did jRPGs. I've never liked the 1st person tactic for RPGs in general. That said, I'm not much of a fan of adding "RPG elements" to what is essentially an action/button smasher. I understand that Fallout and Oblivion both have the ability to switch between 1st and 3rd person views, but the camera angle for 3rd person always felt so off when compared to any other game that made that the default angle.

Directly related to Oblivion, after you read 830 pages of texts to find out that you need something that occured 15 hours earlier in the game got rather repetitive. I suppose all RPGs are like that, but having to hear the same voice do it for an entire game, I got sick of it real quick. I've never been a big fan of Bethesda's writing either.

My favorite RPG on the 360 is Mass Effect, just because it seemed to take a different route from all the other action/RPGs I've played in the past. Star Ocean 4 looks like it could be good, but I hear it suffers from the tiny text if not on an HDTV syndrome that plagued Dead Rising. As far as traditional turn based RPGs, Blue Dragon starts off slow, but it picks up towards the end. It definitely hits that traditional spot in RPGs that causes me to quit playing them. The extra hours inbetween your last story section, and off to do the final dungeon/boss area. It always requires multiple trips around the world map, dozens of side-quests, or endless grinding to level up enough. Usually once it hits that spot where all the extra stuff must be done if you want the full experience of the game, that's when I get bored. They really need to do a better job of setting up the extra side-quests as being more essential to the game. Why am I traveling to random unknown cave for some random enemy I've never heard mentioned the entire game?

I really think the reason I loved Mass Effect so much was because of how it handled the side-quests. Albeit, it feels rather repetitive to go to unexplored planet, and do 2-3 missions that are as generic as the surroundings. The extra parts were that doing those things would help you to understand the ME Universe much better. Extra entries would be added to the Codex, back stories get fleshed out, etc. While they weren't essential to finishing the game in any aspect, it made the atmosphere of the game feel more realistic. That things truly did happen outside of my direct influence with the universe. I feel this aspect gets forgotten.

If you're really into RPGs, your best bet is buying a used fat PS2 and a copy of Swap Magic. I've still got a backlog of about 20+ RPGs I need to finish on it. Need to get around to playing SMT soon. But first I need to buy new copies of Persona 4, Nocturne, DDS1/2, and Devil Summoner 1/2.

Mass Effect is such a genius game. I loved it. I enjoyed being a complete asshole in that game and making people afraid of me. Can't wait for the sequel.

 

[Man Called X]

Mass Effect is such a genius game. I loved it. I enjoyed being a complete asshole in that game and making people afraid of me. Can't wait for the sequel.

Oh believe me, I'm drooling at the thought. Especially with the teaser trailer showing Sheppard's status as KIA. I also have the 2 novels as well. They make for an interesting read to really help flesh out that universe. I love the hell out of the game, I really need to go back and get my 1250/1250. I had so many other games to play after my first playthru, I haven't gotten around to a 2nd or 5th.

 

[gourimoko]

IMHO:

Fallout 3 > Oblivion; however..... Oblivion is much more open-ended, peaceful, relaxing, etc. The negatives to Oblivion is after the first 70 hours :chuckles: it gets really stale, actually pretty boring. Also, it's just way too easy, even with the difficulty turned all the way up. Once you complete the Mage's Guild entry quest, you're pretty much set. So for me, the game is no longer challenging whatsoever. It's still definitely worth owning though.

I also have to agree, Mass Effect is very reminiscent of Knights of the Old Republic. Great storyline, good dialog, choose your path kinda gameplay; just an all around fantastic game. One of the better RPGs I've played recently.

If it came down to comparing Mass Effect vs. Fallout 3, I'd have to go with Fallout. It's just so well put together, the story is dynamic and never boring. It's just an amazing game. I only wish the weapons/armor were customizable, and maybe there were "abilities." But I can respect them sticking with traditional Fallout gameplay.

 

[theSTEREO.]

IMHO:

Fallout 3 > Oblivion; however..... Oblivion is much more open-ended, peaceful, relaxing, etc. The negatives to Oblivion is after the first 70 hours :chuckles: it gets really stale, actually pretty boring. Also, it's just way too easy, even with the difficulty turned all the way up. Once you complete the Mage's Guild entry quest, you're pretty much set. So for me, the game is no longer challenging whatsoever. It's still definitely worth owning though.

I also have to agree, Mass Effect is very reminiscent of Knights of the Old Republic. Great storyline, good dialog, choose your path kinda gameplay; just an all around fantastic game. One of the better RPGs I've played recently.

If it came down to comparing Mass Effect vs. Fallout 3, I'd have to go with Fallout. It's just so well put together, the story is dynamic and never boring. It's just an amazing game. I only wish the weapons/armor were customizable, and maybe there were "abilities." But I can respect them sticking with traditional Fallout gameplay.

I LOVED Knights of the Old Republic. One the main things I miss from the original Xbox, and have been looking for something like it.

 

[gourimoko]

I LOVED Knights of the Old Republic. One the main things I miss from the original Xbox, and have been looking for something like it.

Mass Effect is basically KOTOR without Star Wars.... Made by Bioware as well.. so, it's an obvious pickup for any KOTOR fan... Really a spectacular game, with an epic storyline.

 

[DawgOnKing]

Mass Effect is such a genius game. I loved it. I enjoyed being a complete asshole in that game and making people afraid of me. Can't wait for the sequel.

You guys got me bidding on Ebay now!

It was once on my short list of games, but never pulled the trigger (until now).

 

[Man Called X]

You guys got me bidding on Ebay now!

It was once on my short list of games, but never pulled the trigger (until now).

Don't buy on Ebay. Go to the store, buy the Greatest Hits version for $20 bux that includes the Bring Down the Sky DLC with it. Much smarter investment.

 

[Man Called X]

IMHO:

Fallout 3 > Oblivion; however..... Oblivion is much more open-ended, peaceful, relaxing, etc. The negatives to Oblivion is after the first 70 hours :chuckles: it gets really stale, actually pretty boring. Also, it's just way too easy, even with the difficulty turned all the way up. Once you complete the Mage's Guild entry quest, you're pretty much set. So for me, the game is no longer challenging whatsoever. It's still definitely worth owning though.

I also have to agree, Mass Effect is very reminiscent of Knights of the Old Republic. Great storyline, good dialog, choose your path kinda gameplay; just an all around fantastic game. One of the better RPGs I've played recently.

If it came down to comparing Mass Effect vs. Fallout 3, I'd have to go with Fallout. It's just so well put together, the story is dynamic and never boring. It's just an amazing game. I only wish the weapons/armor were customizable, and maybe there were "abilities." But I can respect them sticking with traditional Fallout gameplay.

You didn't find Fallout 3's story boring? I knew what was going to happen within an hour of leaving the Vault. It broke away from the original storylines, trying to blur the lines between the factions. Okay, that's cute, but it's not fit for this reality. I'm sorta wondering if you really played the first 2 Fallouts if you're arguing the storyline for 3 is great. It seemed really contrived and the twists just weren't the least bit interesting or unpredictable. I really wish this forum had a spoiler text tag so I could black out everything so you have to mouse over to read it.

And let's be real, the ending was god awful. There is no way you can justify any ending you chose. Oh, and hooray for the DLC for the Ankorhage assault blah. Let's play this epic battle from the past in a virtual reality machine! GOGOGOGO! Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. I don't even want to see the Shitsburgh DLC.

That said, I probably will buy their GOTY edition that includes all the DLC. Smarter investment

 

[Mindphaser]

Meh. It's still better than The Witcher.

 

[gourimoko]

You didn't find Fallout 3's story boring?

Nah man.. Seriously, I was totally immersed in the storyline (or perhaps the "setting" is a more accurate term) right away.

I knew what was going to happen within an hour of leaving the Vault. It broke away from the original storylines, trying to blur the lines between the factions. Okay, that's cute, but it's not fit for this reality.

Yeah, I caught that too. Didn't mind so much at all...

I'm sorta wondering if you really played the first 2 Fallouts if you're arguing the storyline for 3 is great. It seemed really contrived and the twists just weren't the least bit interesting or unpredictable. I really wish this forum had a spoiler text tag so I could black out everything so you have to mouse over to read it.

I had both and finished Fallout 2... First played it about 11 years ago, iirc. It was one of my favorite games of the era because it was so mind-blowing (and was so much better than Diablo).. Oh, and what's probably throwing you off is that I hate Diablo! It's just a boring game. Speaking of old games, what was that one game called --- like Planet Timescape or something?? Wish they would remake that with the Oblivion engine.

And let's be real, the ending was god awful. There is no way you can justify any ending you chose. Oh, and hooray for the DLC for the Ankorhage assault blah. Let's play this epic battle from the past in a virtual reality machine! GOGOGOGO! Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. I don't even want to see the Shitsburgh DLC.

LOL.. I love the fact that Fallout has real DLC and not just some additional armor and weapons but entire maps and scenarios. And I cannot wait for The Pit!

That said, I probably will buy their GOTY edition that includes all the DLC. Smarter investment

LOL..... Thought you didn't like the game?

p.s.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Fallout 3 is better than 2... I'm saying for a modern game, on the Xbox 360, Fallout 3 is an amazing game. Definitely game of the year.

 

[Man Called X]

Nah man.. Seriously, I was totally immersed in the storyline (or perhaps the "setting" is a more accurate term) right away.



Yeah, I caught that too. Didn't mind so much at all...



I had both and finished Fallout 2... First played it about 11 years ago, iirc. It was one of my favorite games of the era because it was so mind-blowing (and was so much better than Diablo).. Oh, and what's probably throwing you off is that I hate Diablo! It's just a boring game. Speaking of old games, what was that one game called --- like Planet Timescape or something?? Wish they would remake that with the Oblivion engine.



LOL.. I love the fact that Fallout has real DLC and not just some additional armor and weapons but entire maps and scenarios. And I cannot wait for The Pit!



LOL..... Thought you didn't like the game?

p.s.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Fallout 3 is better than 2... I'm saying for a modern game, on the Xbox 360, Fallout 3 is an amazing game. Definitely game of the year.

Fallout 1>2>3

And it's not that I loved Diablo, I had friends that played it. It was a social thing to me, that lead to me RP'g online for a few years, quite a "creative literature" *aka some awful poetry* and a few other online games I played religiously. The community is what drew me to the internet, not the games themselves.

And gour, let me explain something about myself. Even if I don't like a game, if it is an RPG, I have to own it. It all stems from being screwed over on Suikoden 1 and 2 years ago. Owned 2 copies of each game. Finished 1, never got around to finishing 2 because I moved right after I bought it and had other games that were in line. I sold a copy of each game for like $10 bux a piece to a pawn shop for beer money when I was 16. Three weeks later, I had my house broken into, and my last copies were stolen. I can't afford $60+ for a complete copy of Suikoden 1, let alone $150+ for a copy of Suikoden 2.

*Reason I bought 2 copies of every RPG. Owned FF7, and played it close to 250+ hours. Had a save file right before Sephiroth.. Let's say 3 KOTR maxed out, etc. It was the most pimp save file you could ever own on FF7. Like OMG, this kid has no life at all and is obsessive type file. *yeah it was a year after my mom died. I was damn near a shut-in. Loaned out the game to a friend because I was playing something else at the time, he moved, stole my game. Was checking my "Mega Memory Card" with a total of like 16 memory cards on it, and found out my cousin reset the entire thing by pushing both buttons while it was plugged in. I was going to buy a 2nd copy of it, but never did. After losing FF7, I vowed to buy 2 copies of every game I really loved so I could loan out a copy to my friends, but never be screwed if they ruined it or didn't return it.*

Ever since that incident, I have set about to buy 2 copies every RPG I could get my hands on. Just in case...

Did I mention I had my pristine copies of Suikoden 3, 4, 5, and Tactics stolen off of me last year? Honestly, my favorite game series of all time, and Sony refuses to port the PSP Suikoden 1/2 remake to the US. It kills me to not be able to play the ONLY GOD DAMN ****ING GAME IN THE SERIES I HAVEN'T FINISHED, without paying damn near 200 bux.

Oh, I eventually did finish FF7 about 2 years ago when a friend loaned it to me and I ran through it as quick as possible so I could see the ending. I didn't spend near the time recreating my perfect save.

Yes I managed to avoid the ending on the internet for close to 10 years. That's how dedicated I was to someday finishing that game.

 

[gourimoko]

Fallout 1>2>3

Meh... Fallout 2>3>1

And it's not that I loved Diablo, I had friends that played it. It was a social thing to me, that lead to me RP'g online for a few years, quite a "creative literature" *aka some awful poetry* and a few other online games I played religiously. The community is what drew me to the internet, not the games themselves.

I got into RPG's with Phantasy Star on the Sega Master System. Since then, I've always been partial to Japanese style RPG's, at least until KOTOR.

And gour, let me explain something about myself. Even if I don't like a game, if it is an RPG, I have to own it. It all stems from being screwed over on Suikoden 1 and 2 years ago. Owned 2 copies of each game. Finished 1, never got around to finishing 2 because I moved right after I bought it and had other games that were in line. I sold a copy of each game for like $10 bux a piece to a pawn shop for beer money when I was 16. Three weeks later, I had my house broken into, and my last copies were stolen. I can't afford $60+ for a complete copy of Suikoden 1, let alone $150+ for a copy of Suikoden 2.

Damn... I have both Suikoden 1 and 2... I haven't played any of the others. Both of those games were crazy.. One-hundred plus sized parties?? For real.. BTW, have you checked out the new Star Ocean yet, is it out?

*Reason I bought 2 copies of every RPG. Owned FF7, and played it close to 250+ hours. Had a save file right before Sephiroth.. Let's say 3 KOTR maxed out, etc. It was the most pimp save file you could ever own on FF7. Like OMG, this kid has no life at all and is obsessive type file. *yeah it was a year after my mom died. I was damn near a shut-in. Loaned out the game to a friend because I was playing something else at the time, he moved, stole my game. Was checking my "Mega Memory Card" with a total of like 16 memory cards on it, and found out my cousin reset the entire thing by pushing both buttons while it was plugged in. I was going to buy a 2nd copy of it, but never did. After losing FF7, I vowed to buy 2 copies of every game I really loved so I could loan out a copy to my friends, but never be screwed if they ruined it or didn't return it.*

You bred 2 new copies of KOTR?!? LOL!!! Jesus man.... My best run through, I had tons of awesome maxed materia, hella megalixirs (without W-Item glitch), and 2 mime materias for KOTR. Had laced Ruby (with only Cloud) and Emerald and was like "who the **** is next!!!!"

Ever since that incident, I have set about to buy 2 copies every RPG I could get my hands on. Just in case...

Did I mention I had my pristine copies of Suikoden 3, 4, 5, and Tactics stolen off of me last year? Honestly, my favorite game series of all time, and Sony refuses to port the PSP Suikoden 1/2 remake to the US. It kills me to not be able to play the ONLY GOD DAMN ****ING GAME IN THE SERIES I HAVEN'T FINISHED, without paying damn near 200 bux.

Oh, I eventually did finish FF7 about 2 years ago when a friend loaned it to me and I ran through it as quick as possible so I could see the ending. I didn't spend near the time recreating my perfect save.

Yes I managed to avoid the ending on the internet for close to 10 years. That's how dedicated I was to someday finishing that game.

BTW, why not just download Suikoden I and II?? Play it on a modded original xbox or your PC. That's how I replayed Xenogears (greatest game yet made) with my girlfriend -- used the PS emulator for xbox...

p.s.
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