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Freddie Kitchens: vaguely employed

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What grade to you give the Browns for hiring Freddie Kitchens as their next Head Coach?

  • A+

    Votes: 38 20.8%

  • A

    Votes: 57 31.1%

  • A-

    Votes: 15 8.2%

  • B

    Votes: 18 9.8%

  • Less than that, but I'm also not fun at parties.

    Votes: 55 30.1%
  • Total voters
    183
cavman said:
Ginger..... That name, I hate it. I hate every letter of it. Ginger Kitchens, say that name 5 times and try to masturbate. You can't can you?
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Ginger Kitchens reminds me of Ginger Baker. And he would have been impossible to masturbate to.

Though I bet @Randolphkeys has tried.
 
The Oi said:
Ginger Kitchens reminds me of Ginger Baker. And he would have been impossible to masturbate to.

Though I bet @Randolphkeys has tried.
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Are we talking his music? Give me a picture of your sister in law and play some Cream, I'm good to go.

I feel like Freddie was always going to have hiccups this year. Never being a head coach at any level was always a red flag. I just never thought he would struggle this heavily. Every horrible head coach we have had, I have argued for giving the guy a second year. This is the one time I feel like the Browns can just cut bait at the end of the season and it's going to be okay.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Are we talking his music? Give me a picture of your sister in law and play some Cream, I'm good to go.

I feel like Freddie was always going to have hiccups this year. Never being a head coach at any level was always a red flag. I just never thought he would struggle this heavily. Every horrible head coach we have had, I have argued for giving the guy a second year. This is the one time I feel like the Browns can just cut bait at the end of the season and it's going to be okay.
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It seems like there are three arguments for keeping Freddie:

1) What if he leaves and becomes great somewhere else?

My response: Who cares? For all of the coaches who get fired, very few actually turn into Bill Belichick, and most end up as Hue Jackson.

2) Consistency is important and the Browns have not had it

My response: This is probably the best reason to keep Freddie. But my problem is that the entire reason the Browns hired Freddie is offensive consistency. Additionally, it seems like we are playing our best defensive players out of position and that one of the most expensive defensive lines in the NFL is struggling to get pressure on blitzes. The offense has not worked. My view is this has less to do with consistency and more to do with a coaching staff struggling to match their systems to the talent.

The only other potential response is that this flaw is improving as the season progresses. My concern is that it is more of a small sample size problem, which would explain the second half against Pittsburgh.

3) Freddie has previously shown a lot of promise. Why change just to bring in another new coach or retread?

My response: To believe this then you need to believe Freddie's success over eight games as an offensive coordinator outweighs what we have seen this season. I'm just not sure how one believes this.
 
I'm very happy to see that Browns fans have had it with the media sucking lately.
The very fact that they're laser focused on a t-shirt rather than the teams refusal to run the ball in the 2nd half is rather telling.
 
Kbiz said:

So lets abandon the run entirely in the 2nd half even though it was working....shit is laughable.
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We are shooting up the throwing hand of a 24 year old QB, we think is finally our franchise guy, in order to try to save a lost season and a lost coach? Should our entire medical staff be fired?

Seems incredibly shortsighted with our most important player moving forward. Maybe I'm overreacting here but this just seems insane. I'm sure you can always turn to the excuse of "couldn't do any more damage".....but yeesh, you'd think we'd be extremely cautious with anything that has to do with his throwing arm / hand.
 
I'mWithDan said:
We are shooting up the throwing hand of a 24 year old QB, we think is finally our franchise guy, in order to try to save a lost season and a lost coach? Should our entire medical staff be fired?

Seems incredibly shortsighted with our most important player moving forward. Maybe I'm overreacting here but this just seems insane. I'm sure you can always turn to the excuse of "couldn't do any more damage".....but yeesh, you'd think we'd be extremely cautious with anything that has to do with his throwing arm / hand.
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to be fair at that point we were tied and if we won that game the season would still be very much alive at 6-6
 
The Wizard of Moz said:
to be fair at that point we were tied and if we won that game the season would still be very much alive at 6-6
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Teams keep guys in the game like this all the time. A few weeks ago George Kittle lit shit up after spraining his knee or whatever.

In a game with playoff implications, why wouldn't they let Baker play if he thought he could? And there wasn't an obvious catastrophic injury?
 
The plan is, and always has been Mike McCarthy plus his dream staff. Wanted to take a year off and assemble his guys. Freddie was the stop gap.

Not in love with it, but at this point anything is an upgrade.
 
bigfoot5415 said:
The plan is, and always has been Mike McCarthy plus his dream staff. Wanted to take a year off and assemble his guys. Freddie was the stop gap.

Not in love with it, but at this point anything is an upgrade.
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There is a 0% chance this was always the plan

If Kitchens wins 10 games and makes the playoffs he was a stop gap?
 
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