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Game 16 | Cleveland @ Charlotte | November 27, 2009 | 7:00 PM EST

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i know ill get flack for saying this but whatever. id trade Shaq, Darnell, Z for Chandler, Diaw, Sjax and Mohommad yesterday.

if they suck this year maybe its a possibility. but we'd never make a huge move like that.
 
I sensed the Cavs would fall from the start, so I stopped watching at half time to go spend time with the fam. For once, it was a wise decision. I can't comment on what happened because I only watched half...but what I saw was some of the most lackadaisical defensive play I've seen from us.

Ditto. Only I stopped watching after the first quarter.
 
i know ill get flack for saying this but whatever. id trade Shaq, Darnell, Z for Chandler, Diaw, Sjax and Mohommad yesterday.

if they suck this year maybe its a possibility. but we'd never make a huge move like that.

Aint no way in hell Charlotte would do that trade! The fans like SJax more than Crash, and why would they get rid of 3 good players for 3 that cannot play?

You need a suspension for even suggesting this idea, not to mention the fact there is a trade-idea forum for this crap.
 
The way the team is taking on thier opponents collectively mirrors Lebron's.

I don't like to hate much on the meal ticket but Lebron is proving to me this season why I always choose someone other than him as my favorite Cavalier. For once, I would like him to shut his entitled mouth, stop barking at the refs, and focus a little more on what he is supposed to be doing. Take a look at Lebron's shot chart. It's nauseating to look at when you have a guy with his physical gifts absolutely ignoring the post. Don't even get me started on his defense. This is not what I expected this season.
 
Relax fellas... it's a long season and games like this will sting, but don't mean much.

Winning the "Big Game."

While tonight was frustrating to say the least (only a few hours of sleep after a 7 am shopping excursion), the most irritating loss to date for me is easily the season opener at home against Boston. Tonight was aggravating because the team gave piss-poor effort most of the game, failed to close out quarters, and never seemed to get into an offensive flow. But what does a November loss in Charlotte mean in the grand scheme of things?

For instance, last season the Lakers opened up the season hot, losing only three of their first 24 games. Two of the three losses came on the road at Indiana and Sacramento and the lone home loss was against Detroit. Aside from the Pistons (7-2), Indiana (7-10) and Sacramento (6-16) were still sub-500 teams after defeating the soon-to-be-champion Lakers.

Then came a January 27th loss at home against the 18-26 Charlotte Bobcats. I actually caught the end of the double overtime game on league pass and promptly sent a “damn, the Bobcats?” text to one of my friends, who happens to be a Lakers fan. He text back that the team showed no heart, but would beat my beloved Cavaliers in Cleveland a week in a half later. My friend is no Nostradamus, but he was spot on this time, as the Lakers handled the Cavs by ten in Quicken Loans Arena.

The Lakers would lose to the Bobcats again in March, prompting another playful interaction. “We play down to our competition and lose to shitty teams, but we make sure to play well against the good teams,” my friend rebutted. And why not? What were the odds that the Lakers would meet the Bobcats in the Finals last year? 1,000,000-1? Those odds soon changed to impossible after the Bobcats failed to even qualify for the playoffs.

But what about the odds they would meet the Jazz in the playoffs, a team they were 2-1 against in the regular season? Pretty good odds I’d imagine, as they would later meet Utah in the first round. And then their second round opponents, the Houston Rockets, a team they were 4-0 against in the regular season. Or how about the Nuggets, a team that was only 1-3 against LA before meeting the Lakers in the Conference Finals?

Truth be told, one of the only “good teams” that the Lakers struggled with in the regular season last year was the Orlando Magic. They lost both head-to-head matchups before beating them 4-1 in the NBA Finals.

So what is the point of this trip down memory lane dealing with a team that already walked the path the Cavaliers covet? To put it bluntly–this loss doesn’t mean a thing. After a slow 3-3 start through their first six games, the Cavs are 8-2 in their last ten games since. Their only two losses have come on the road and they are 3-0 against teams currently in the playoff picture (@Orlando, @Miami, and @Indiana). Their eight wins have come against teams with a combined 53-66 record (44.5% WP) as of 10:45 PM tonight. The two losses have come at Washington and Charlotte, teams that the Cavaliers have already defeated at home this season and, more importantly, featured a subpar 11-18 combined record (37.9% WP) even after both teams won tonight (9-18, 33.3% WP entering tonight).

Thus, the moral of the story is not exactly “don’t worry, be happy.” It’s more like “make sure to watch the game tomorrow night.” Hosting a 12-4 Dallas team isn’t quite a must win, but it’s a barometer game, much like the wins down in Orlando and Miami. Beating quality playoff teams means you’re a better, more quality team, capable of winning four seven game series in the playoffs. And, conversely, losing at Charlotte doesn’t mean a thing. That’s the lesson my friend taught me, and I’m running with it.

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Aint no way in hell Charlotte would do that trade! The fans like SJax more than Crash, and why would they get rid of 3 good players for 3 that cannot play?

You need a suspension for even suggesting this idea, not to mention the fact there is a trade-idea forum for this crap.

if they dont go anywhere why would they want these long overpaid contracts? theyve admitted that they have traded players in the past to save money..
 
As long as we make it to the playoffs, I have no regular season concerns. I'd rather win an important game against an opponent that will make the playoffs vs a team that won't even make the playoffs. 2/5 of our losses were against teams that are going to make the playoffs this year. I'll be damned if Charlotte, Washington and Toronto (Even though I would love to see LeBron here during the playoffs) were to make the top 8. Even if they do, they are going to face the #1 seed.
 
Blah, it still takes abnormal high 3pt shooting from the other team to beat us, even if we play bad....
 
LOL, I missed this game. What happened???

Please, please, please don't tell me we lost because of bad effort.
 
LOL, I missed this game. What happened???

Please, please, please don't tell me we lost because of bad effort.

well do you want the truth or do you want me to tell you that we didn't lose because of a lack of effort?
 
total lack of effort and focus. the whole team was just going thru the motions. I have to agree with W&G that it starts with Lebron ~ stop whining and play the game. its also clear that they need another big (maybe leon is the guy), but shaq & Z are not the answer. mike brown needs to give delonte another chance now, i am not sure what he is waiting for.
 

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