Game Thread | 2021-2022 Season | Game #16 | Cavs @ Nets | Nov. 17, 2021

[hud11]

Eh, don't point this out. You're just nitpicking!

Tonight was a perfect game to give Rubio the night off and tell Okoro to stop playing hot potato and attack down hill all night.

Does it matter if we lose by 35 or by 10?

JBB is simply not looking at bigger picture at all.

He's very, very Thibs like. All he sees is the game in front of him and nothing more. I'm just not sure Thibs is who you want running a young team that needs some coaching and development.

Because he knows he’s coaching for his job. That’s why he was running Mobley into the ground, he has no confidence that he is gonna be around for long haul, his best chance is to win games and be competitive.

 

[Rich]

Cedi only getting 19 minutes while Okoro got 39 and Wade 37? WTF JBB

Been trying to tell everyone the way this goes.

When the other team has a Big Time Scorer JBB thinks of nothing that who must be defending that person at all times.


So tonight, because the Nets have Durant AND Harden..well then, that means Okoro and Wade have to play every single minute those two are on the floor.

 

[The Oi]

I would really like to see Okoro given a month with the Charge

There's a part of me 100% sure he would defer to Kyle Guy and Justin James for the first two weeks there so I'm fully prepared to make him stay an entire month and let James and Guy come up so he HAS to be assertive down there.

At this point in time, it's essential to his development.

Give him the ball down there and tell him don't even look at the scoreboard.. just go earn 10 free throw attempts every night.

I don't give a shit about rebounds and assists.

Free throw attempts. Until you can earn 10 of them for 3-4 games in a row, you don't deserve to be up here.

Admittedly didn’t think about this option lol. Yeah, suck it up and send him down.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Eh, don't point this out. You're just nitpicking!

Tonight was a perfect game to give Rubio the night off and tell Okoro to stop playing hot potato and attack down hill all night.

Does it matter if we lose by 35 or by 10?

JBB is simply not looking at bigger picture at all.

He's very, very Thibs like. All he sees is the game in front of him and nothing more. I'm just not sure Thibs is who you want running a young team that needs some coaching and development.

I actually think it does matter if we lose by 35 versus actually playing to win. I could argue anything that happens in that 35 point blowout is garbage time and should be thrown out. But if the game stays at least somewhat competitive, then you can see some of what guys are really made of.

The development stuff Rch is talking about is what the D league, or practice, or really truly offseason work and then implemented in training camp scrimmages is for.

But Id much rather have the game we had tonight than to see us go down by 45 in the second quarter and then turn Okoro into the primary ball handler for "development". Thats just going to lower morale and make losing and not playing hard more of the norm.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

Cedi only getting 19 minutes while Okoro got 39 and Wade 37? WTF JBB

JBB wanted Okoro guarding Harden and Wade guarding Durant. Cedi can't guard either one of them, or anybody for that matter.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Really proud of the fight the team showed tonight despite the missing players and Love just coming back.

Main problem right now is Mobley’s absence magnifies flaws in players like Love and Okoro, and Jarrett also missing makes that worse.

Rubio and Garland have to carry the team offensively although Wade, Love and Cedi chipped in with 11 each.

Okoro playing way too many minutes and asked to do too much out of necessity. Good to see him come off the bench early this season but the injuries / illnesses have killed us.

Tacko made a free throw. Highlight of the night.

 

[kookoo]

Been trying to tell everyone the way this goes.

When the other team has a Big Time Scorer JBB thinks of nothing that who must be defending that person at all times.


So tonight, because the Nets have Durant AND Harden..well then, that means Okoro and Wade have to play every single minute those two are on the floor.

JBBs expectation vs Okoro's skill level are so far off it's insane.

 

[All4One1ForAll]

JBB wanted Okoro guarding Harden and Wade guarding Durant. Cedi can't guard either one of them, or anybody for that matter.

Okoro was getting stuck on screens and giving up penetration easily all night long. This idea that Cedi is significantly worse on defense than him is dumb. And Cedi's been our most consistent 3 point shooter this year, while Okoro hopes he doesn't get the ball. No reason for Cedi to get literally half Okoro's minutes in this game with how Isaac has been playing.

 

[Rich]

I actually think it does matter if we lose by 35 versus actually playing to win. I could argue anything that happens in that 35 point blowout is garbage time and should be thrown out. But if the game stays at least somewhat competitive, then you can see some of what guys are really made of.

The development stuff Rch is talking about is what the D league, or practice, or really truly offseason work and then implemented in training camp scrimmages is for.

But Id much rather have the game we had tonight than to see us go down by 45 in the second quarter and then turn Okoro into the primary ball handler for "development". Thats just going to lower morale and make losing and not playing hard more of the norm.

This type of thinking that gets players run into the ground imo.

They need to try and develop Okoro.

It's not happening sharing the court with Garland and Rubio. Trying to make sure a random game in November against a title contender remains single digits means way, way, way less.

He was at his best last season when he was coming off screens and attacking down hill. Right now he never has the ball in his hands to attempt to do that.

Okoro needs to find some confidence. Rubio doesn't need to find confidence. Garland doesn't need to find confidence.

Mobley and Allen and Sexton aren't gonna be demoralized when they aren't playing.

It's ok to toss a game into the trash can once in a while for the larger goal in an 82 game season.

 

[daytripper]

I would really like to see Okoro given a month with the Charge

There's a part of me 100% sure he would defer to Kyle Guy and Justin James for the first two weeks there so I'm fully prepared to make him stay an entire month and let James and Guy come up so he HAS to be assertive down there.

At this point in time, it's essential to his development.

Give him the ball down there and tell him don't even look at the scoreboard.. just go earn 10 free throw attempts every night.

I don't give a shit about rebounds and assists.

Free throw attempts. Until you can earn 10 of them for 3-4 games in a row, you don't deserve to be up here.

Agreed but Koby is not going to send last year's #5 pick down to the Charge due to his own ego. I also agree that Kyle and J. James could potentially help this team moreso than a few of the guys sitting at the end of the bench. Ben said they did Tacko's agent a favor by giving him the 2 way spot but the team is decimated with injuries. Maybe it's time to bring up a few players that can actually contribute.

 

[Rich]

JBB wanted Okoro guarding Harden and Wade guarding Durant. Cedi can't guard either one of them, or anybody for that matter.

Echo this. Cedi has been great this season.

But he's very Kevin Love-like on defense in that he's mastered the art of giving fake effort. He's a bad defensive player.

 

[2 For The Brew]

JBB wanted Okoro guarding Harden and Wade guarding Durant. Cedi can't guard either one of them, or anybody for that matter.

Neither can Windler, who was getting torched by backups and gave us nothing whatsoever on the offensive end. Okoro on Harden and Wade on Durant were the correct matchups given available personnel.

 

[kookoo]

THT is the guy we want Okoro to be.

 

[Comeback kid]

Dean wade doesnt like to rotate to the basket on either end of the floor. he just runs 3 pt line to 3 pt line
. Why do clueless people bother to post?

 

[BimboColesHair]

People asking the coach to start putting a young team in a position to lose and lose big, consistently, for the sake of development are playing with fire. Not just the fire of creating bad habits, but the fire of losing the groups attention.

Guys like Sexton, Garland, Windler, Cedi, and Okoro already have sloppy habits from being thrown into the fire that aren’t conducive to winning basketball games.

The fact that we are getting upset about a coach “focusing on the game in front of them” is so goddamn ridiculous.

This group needs to learn how to play winning basketball consistently. The development aspect will take care of itself in that kind of system.