Hollywood scandal

[DJTJ]

I would be surprised if anyone on this board has ever asked a girl if they could kiss them before doing it.

I have? If the situation requires it, or the girl seems really reserved? I absolutely will.

 

[DJTJ]

Men should start recording all of their sexual interactions

You mean women, right?

So they're not victim shamed when speaking out?

 

[MediumBaller]

I have? If the situation requires it, or the girl seems really reserved? I absolutely will.

It seems like it would be weird to be all like "hey can I kiss you?" It's not something I've ever thought of doing.

You mean women, right?

So they're not victim shamed when speaking out?

Not sure how they would know when to record, but if they want to record their interactions with men then sure. It'd cut down on false accusations too

 

[Whittaker]

It's incredible how some people just cannot understand the premise of hypotheticals or analogies because they're not literal representations of each other.

This!

 

[The Oi]

I have? If the situation requires it, or the girl seems really reserved? I absolutely will.

What situation requires you to ask a girl to kiss her? And how soon afterwards did she cheat on you with a guy who didn't?

 

[Maximus]

Come now, we all know you love jokes. You make many jokes. What about this one set you off?

You seem more concerned with a joke at the expense of a Christian than the actual story involved.

No, I don't need Gour to fight my battles. That is why I have posted multiple times on the issue. However, I think your dig is was quite intentional and directed at him given the number of times he has posted on the issue.

Set me off??? King, I wasn't remotely angry, im not angry now and will not be angry. I'm not pissed off. I'm not butt hurt...or any of that other stuff you accused me of being. I'm not even a Christain conservative. Again, it was just a simple call out...the rules are different here on RCF. You are the one that was "set off". I was just pointing out the obvious that a lot of posters agreed with. Chill out...

 

[The Oi]

Just for fun...Here's Joe Biden not asking girls to kiss them again:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy07yHAgM4E

 

[The Oi]

It seem some things are getting really confused.

What is supposed to be wrong with the scene in Moonlight? It was a pretty important part of the plot. Are people criticizing it because they were teens, or because they were gay? Because plenty of shows and movies have plots that involve teens having consensual, because teens have consensual sex.

How is that getting mixed up with incidents of sexual harassment and assault. They aren't remotely the same thing.

The other thing brought up is the movie "Call Me By Your Name". Clearly I haven't seen that movie since I don't think it has been released yet. But I assume that it's a consensual movie between two people of the age of consent. How is that being compared to Kevin Space sexually assaulting people? They aren't the same thing at all.

And since when is kissing someone without asking considered sexual assault? Who asks before they kiss someone for the first time? And apparently if you do ask, it's sexual harassment.

Clearly there are special rules when one person has a position of power or authority over the other, or of one of the person is below the age of consent, or of the other person is a complete stranger, or if they have already made it clear they aren't interested. But we are equating things that aren't the same.

I was kidding about Moonlight. I’m not a homophobe, just making a joke.

And that parallel the author made between that movie with a consensual gay relationship between two teen boys and Spacey and Weinstein makes no fucking sense. That article is bunk. If anything, it’s an insult to gay people (or straight people for that matter) who are having consensual relationships and want to watch powerful movies about other people having gay relationships, no?

I’m so completely out of touch with pop culture at this point, that I literally didn’t even know this movie won the Academy Award.

I went back and watched a couple other scenes from the movie and from what I can gather, those two kids were incredible actors and the relationship between them was really powerful.

I’ll watch it. The 3 scenes I watched (boardwalk ass kicking and the two scenes on beach) were all very powerful. The two kids felt like they could be anyone’s neighbors, didn’t even seem like they were acting. Looks like a good flick.

 

[KI4MVP]

I was kidding about Moonlight. I’m not a homophobe, just making a joke.

I figured you were joking, but the article that talked about the new movie also mentioned Moonlight.

 

[Sebastian]

What a double whammy.

Normally if you're sexually deviant you're at least fun as hell

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

It seem some things are getting really confused.

Well, let's straighten it out then. Should the metric be legality - which is objective - or creepiness, which isn't? And does a movie trying to be "arty" make a difference?

I bring this up because one of the claims made with respect to the peach movie was that the age difference was not illegal in that place, and therefore (impliedly) should not be a moral issue. You specifically noted that both of them were above the age of consent, so I assume you share that view.

But that raises the issue of Moore, who apparently didn't actually have sex with anyone underage. Age of consent in Alabama is 16 for sex, and you can actually get married at 14 with parental consent.

So should all those incidents (aside from the one claim of rape) not count either? After all, no sex, and courting someone 14 would not be illegal.

As far as Moonlight, I haven't seen it and don't intend to. Not my type of movie regardless of the gay component. But you mentioned them being "teens", so I assume that means not adults.

And yes, underage teens do have sex. But adults wanting to watch that is creepy as fuck. At least to me.

 

[KI4MVP]

Well, let's straighten it out then. Should the metric be legality - which is objective - or creepiness, which isn't? And does a movie trying to be "arty" make a difference?

portraying real life is "arty"?

But that raises the issue of Moore, who apparently didn't actually have sex with anyone underage. Age of consent in Alabama is 16 for sex, and you can actually get married at 14 with parental consent.

So should all those incidents (aside from the one claim of rape) not count either? After all, no sex, and courting someone 14 would not be illegal.

He is accused of sex with a 14 year old, so don't forget to count that.

 

[The Oi]

And yes, underage teens do have sex. But adults wanting to watch that is creepy as fuck. At least to me.

I mean...wanting to watch 14 year old teens get molested is obviously creepy.

But I mean we all had sex, fell in love, cheated on/got cheated on when we were teenagers. Maybe dorks like you didn’t, but the rest of us did.

There were a lot of feelings attached to that...I think that’s worth displaying on the big screen.

I don’t see the creep factor to sex between two teens so long as you’re not jacking off to it in a raincoat. Then you’re the creep.

 

[billmac91]

I mean...wanting to watch 14 year old teens get molested is obviously creepy.

But I mean we all had sex, fell in love, cheated on/got cheated on when we were teenagers. Maybe dorks like you didn’t, but the rest of us did.

There were a lot of feelings attached to that...I think that’s worth displaying on the big screen.

I don’t see the creep factor to sex between two teens so long as you’re not jacking off to it in a raincoat. Then you’re the creep.

I watched Moonlight, and maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but it wasn't a "sex scene". It was implied sex after intimacy on a beach, but it wasn't like you were watching them engaged in a sex act.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

portraying real life is "arty"?

So you now want to quibble about whether or not some movies (I suppose I should say "films") sell themselves as being more "artistic" than others? Just did a quick search, and found this from the cinematographer of Moonlight:

“Authenticity is something I think we’re always sort of playing with,” says Laxton, when discussing their creative process. “I mean Moonlight is not necessarily a realist movie by any stretch of the imagination. Especially visually, it isn’t. That being said, I don’t think the movie’s untrue. It’s sort of the delicate balance of providing images that allow an audience to feel like they’re watching a real experience. But presenting it in maybe a way that’s providing a larger lens to look through.”

http://time.com/behind-the-visuals-of-moonlight/

Anyway, if you want to claim it is real life and not "arty", fine. My point was only whether something that we would not watch in real life is different if presented as being "arty", so fine. I'll go with "it is real life".

And in real life, I don't want to watch two teenagers having sex. I think it's creepy.

He is accused of sex with a 14 year old, so don't forget to count that.

Fair enough - that specific allegation, if true, would count. So I assume you're siding with illegality being the determinative factor, and if it isn't illegal, we shouldn't care?