I got an idea !!

[PIP]

I know what you're saying, Chief.. But the principle holds true for all clubs.. If your coach is not getting it done, he has to go... If one of his staff members is not getting it done, you have to recognize that and cut him loose.. Instead, Romeo was rubbing Carthon's feet after every game...

You take the hand you're dealt, and do the best with what you got... We've seen this team play some competitive games against some teams, but when you're getting blown out, that's another story.. For God sakes, they got bitch slapped by a Steelers team that wasn't even at 70%...

And not just getting blown out; but getting embarrassed, giving up, quiting, and not having the answers for it... When your players say: "There's problems around here you guys don't even see, and problems we can't make public" That's a PROBLEM... And that's a problem at the top... He has no control of this team at all... He doesn't even know what he's doing.. Literally..I can say with confidence that Romeo Crennel is nothing more than a hood ornament.. He's a fat manican (sp?) wearing a Browns parka and knit hat in the window of the team shop... He is ****ing clueless...

Romeo says: "If you play good, you have a chance to win, if you don't play good, you'll lose" (Thank you Dr. Seuss)

"If that play worked, everyone wouldn't say anything, but since it didn't, now you don't look so good" (Another nugget of knowledge)

To which I say, I hate you... You're stupid...

 

[cavincali]

I know what you're saying, Chief.. But the principle holds true for all clubs.. If your coach is not getting it done, he has to go... If one of his staff members is not getting it done, you have to recognize that and cut him loose.. Instead, Romeo was rubbing Carthon's feet after every game...

You take the hand you're dealt, and do the best with what you got... We've seen this team play some competitive games against some teams, but when you're getting blown out, that's another story.. For God sakes, they got bitch slapped by a Steelers team that wasn't even at 70%...

And not just getting blown out; but getting embarrassed, giving up, quiting, and not having the answers for it... When your players say: "There's problems around here you guys don't even see, and problems we can't make public" That's a PROBLEM... And that's a problem at the top... He has no control of this team at all... He doesn't even know what he's doing.. Literally..I can say with confidence that Romeo Crennel is nothing more than a hood ornament.. He's a fat manican (sp?) wearing a Browns parka and knit hat in the window of the team shop... He is ****ing clueless...

Romeo says: "If you play good, you have a chance to win, if you don't play good, you'll lose" (Thank you Dr. Seuss)

"If that play worked, everyone wouldn't say anything, but since it didn't, now you don't look so good" (Another nugget of knowledge)

To which I say, I hate you... You're stupid...

Change change change. Why?!?!?!?

Crennel has the respect of his players, he cant do anything else. The players are buying into his system, they all have said in the press that RAC isnt the problem.

We list all the problems with the Browns, how the o/d line sucks how the qb isnt good enough, yet its the coaches fault.

Get a freaking grip. How can the coach be held accountable for shitty players, you see this in the NBA/MLB/NFL. When teams have a lot of talent and the team still loses than its the coaches fault. THE BROWNS DONT HAVE THAT PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pip, you wanted Gooden gone like none other, well look how hes playing this year. :weirdo:

Two years and fire the coach. That Lake Erie water must make you dumb. :thumbdown

 

[cdt]

Umm Cali...everyone not named Lawrence Vickers hated Mo Carthon..he's an egotistical prick who is set in his ways and was very disliked among the players.

Crennel basically chose friendship over football in keeping him and although Davidson is no "savior" with the playcalling he's a step above Mo'ron Carthon.

And by keeping him around which even us outsiders know he did..probably didn't go over well with the coach. And when the coach is overruled by the GM and Owner that never really screams "r-e-s-p-e-c-t".

In my opinion he just isn't as fiery and enthusiastic as I'd like in a coach. Seems to quiet..I'm not saying you need to be a loudmouth to be a coach but I could see how some players don't take him seriously.

If Tampa Bay lets Jon Gruden go for some reason I would definately be on the phone trying to get that guy here..he has had some down years but the Bucs let free agents go and brought in young players at key skill positions.

They'd be stupid to let Gruden walk considering he won a SB and the picks they gave up to get him but there are rumblings..and stranger things have happened.

 

[PIP]

Change change change. Why?!?!?!?

Crennel has the respect of his players, he cant do anything else. The
players are buying into his system, they all have said in the press that RAC isnt the problem.

No he doesn't..

We list all the problems with the Browns, how the o/d line sucks how the qb isnt good enough, yet its the coaches fault.

If you think the QB was a problem last night, your vision has been compromised..

Get a freaking grip. How can the coach be held accountable for shitty players, you see this in the NBA/MLB/NFL. When teams have a lot of talent and the team still loses than its the coaches fault. THE BROWNS DONT HAVE THAT PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Partially the problem is the talent...However, alot of the players are not being put in the proper positions to succeed..

Pip, you wanted Gooden gone like none other, well look how hes playing this year. :weirdo:

Dumbest thing you said in this entire post..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3602/gamelog;_ylt=Anye1c.aZNn_6RmmQMn4CvWkvLYF

Look at his last 3 games, and look at the overall inconsitency.. So, your point ????

Two years and fire the coach. That Lake Erie water must make you dumb. :thumbdown

At least I can blame it on the water...Your stupiduty has no equal and comes from parts unknown..

Basically, to sum up.. Your post looks like a post that was composed by a fan who is several thousand of miles away from the situation and really has not a clue about what he's typing about..

 

[NarlCavs]

Those that think Crennel should go should also be in favor of dumping Phil Savage. After all he's the one totally responsible for putting the roster together.

This team is terrible right now but a way to maybe look at it is that Savage and Crennel were basically starting from scratch when they came here and the Browns might as well be considered an expansion team once again. They inherited a mess.
That doesn't excuse poor play and poor talent evaluation. I'm just not ready to dump one or both and start all over again. Would the Browns have to bring in another coach who plays the 3-4 defense? They've spent 2 years acquiring players who specifically fit into that D. If not than the defensive roster would have to be completely changed (some might think that wouldn't be such a bad idea).

 

[crazedcav333]

I don't think RAC sucks as a coach from a X's and O's perspective, but we have NO motivation, which is key.

 

[The Oi]

For the Romeo apologists...

Romeo looks like a mix between Shrek and that fat purple McDonald's character Grimace.

He's a piece of shit as a coach. He sounds about as dumb as Dubya whenever he opens his fat walrus-stache covered lips. I mean honestly...some of the shit that comes out of that man's mouth suggests that he doesn't even watch the games from the sideline. And where is it on record that his players respect him? I've never heard a Cleveland Brown say that they did!

His play-calling is as atrocious as the effort the o-line (imo the MOST important part of an offense. I truly believe that so long as you put NFL quality talent behind a really solid o-line you can win a Super Bowl.) puts in every game. Yeah...the personnel is shit. Plus, Charlie Frye has proven to be a really bad QB with a poor arm and AWFUL decision- making skills.

Our defense doesnt give a shit anymore (How could they when theyre on the field for 40 mins a game?), our receivers are undisciplined, our running backs arent intelligent, and the coaches under-utilize a guy who COULD be the best TE in the game.

Our running game is pathetic and our defense does NOT contain opposing offenses. These are the two things Romeo kept promising we'd do well when he came in. What conclusions are we to make from that? He has no strengths!!!

 

[The Oi]

I don't think RAC sucks as a coach from a X's and O's perspective.

Yeah, well I think he DOES suck from an X's and O's perspective. And our execution suggests that we are highly undisciplined.

 

[NarlCavs]

Jigo, most of what you wrote seemed to point more to poor talent than to poor coaching.
The O line is bad. They need at least 3 new starters. The D line is also bad. Ted Washington is basically washed up and was a bad signing for the most part. The secondary has been banged up all season. The Browns top 3 CB's have been out almost the whole year. That then leads to a more conservative defense because of the lack of unproven quality talent at the CB position.
The RB's position look pretty weak and the Browns are loaded with inconsistent receivers.

There are major questions as to whether Frye is the Browns QB of the future. I haven't seen anything to make me think he is. That goes more to Savage who put everything on Frye and made no attempt to pick up an experienced QB.

I'm not saying Crennel is perfect but it doesn't all go to him. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit.

I thought the Browns were a 6-10 team at best this year. They just aren't that talented and are only in year 2 of a major rebuilding job. I'm sick and tired of watching crappy football but things aren't going to happen in a couple of years considering where they had to start from when Savage and Crennel took over.

 

[cavincali]

Umm Cali...everyone not named Lawrence Vickers hated Mo Carthon..he's an egotistical prick who is set in his ways and was very disliked among the players.

Crennel basically chose friendship over football in keeping him and although Davidson is no "savior" with the playcalling he's a step above Mo'ron Carthon.

And by keeping him around which even us outsiders know he did..probably didn't go over well with the coach. And when the coach is overruled by the GM and Owner that never really screams "r-e-s-p-e-c-t".

In my opinion he just isn't as fiery and enthusiastic as I'd like in a coach. Seems to quiet..I'm not saying you need to be a loudmouth to be a coach but I could see how some players don't take him seriously.

If Tampa Bay lets Jon Gruden go for some reason I would definately be on the phone trying to get that guy here..he has had some down years but the Bucs let free agents go and brought in young players at key skill positions.

They'd be stupid to let Gruden walk considering he won a SB and the picks they gave up to get him but there are rumblings..and stranger things have happened.

I kinda wish Crennel was more fiery but you are now dipping into a new low to get rid of Crennel by using Carthon.

Gruden sure is doing well with a low talent pool in Tampa isnt he.

Is Belipuke a fiery guy, no and he has won 3 superbowls. Lovie Smith, doesnt come across as a fiery guy. Maybe Crennel is behind the sceens.

 

[cavincali]

No he doesn't..

If you think the QB was a problem last night, your vision has been compromised..

Partially the problem is the talent...However, alot of the players are not being put in the proper positions to succeed..

Dumbest thing you said in this entire post..

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3602/gamelog;_ylt=Anye1c.aZNn_6RmmQMn4CvWkvLYF

Look at his last 3 games, and look at the overall inconsitency.. So, your point ????


At least I can blame it on the water...Your stupiduty has no equal and comes from parts unknown..

Basically, to sum up.. Your post looks like a post that was composed by a fan who is several thousand of miles away from the situation and really has not a clue about what he's typing about..

Hey pip, did you prove e=mc^2.

The problem is talent, there is no other way to put it pip. I dont see how you even try to refute my point with the crap of o/d line we have.

Was it Crennel's fault that the Browns couldnt stop the steeler, when they ran it every freaking down??? NO!!!! It was an undersized DE, Frazier, who kept getting knocked on his ass every single play.

 

[PIP]

Hey pip, did you prove e=mc^2.

The problem is talent, there is no other way to put it pip. I dont see how you even try to refute my point with the crap of o/d line we have.

Was it Crennel's fault that the Browns couldnt stop the steeler, when they ran it every freaking down??? NO!!!! It was an undersized DE, Frazier, who kept getting knocked on his ass every single play.

Cali-

I understand your point, and I've never said improved talent is not needed as well.. That's a given...

Just answer this question for me... What does Crennel do well ?

What has he done that says: "Now that's a pretty damn good coach the Browns have"..

If he's not calling the plays, and he's not making the personnel decisions, than what exactly is he doing that is needed for this team to progress????????

 

[chiefwahoo]

Just answer this question for me... What does Crennel do well ?

He can inhale Donato's pizzas like a champ!

 

[cavincali]

Cali-

I understand your point, and I've never said improved talent is not needed as well.. That's a given...

Just answer this question for me... What does Crennel do well ?

What has he done that says: "Now that's a pretty damn good coach the Browns have"..

If he's not calling the plays, and he's not making the personnel decisions, than what exactly is he doing that is needed for this team to progress????????

How do we know what he does well or what he doesnt, his efforts go behind the scenes. He doesnt play.

 

[PIP]

How do we know what he does well or what he doesnt, his efforts go behind the scenes. He doesnt play.

Then how can you tell me changing him is wrong ? By the tone of your initial post, you typed it with a certain sense of certainty...Sooooo I thought at the very least you knew something about the situation that I didn't ?

So, to sum up:

He doesn't call plays
He doesn't make personnel decisions
We have no idea what he actually does since his efforts go "behind the scenes"
The team is in turmoil without any leadership
The team has not improved since Chris Palmer was the coach

I'm discombobulated.......