Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Rob933]

Trading Love is the last thing the Cavs should ever think about, especially when the Cavs will get no where near equal return in the deal.

Love averaged 7 points against the warriors last year in the finals. You act like he can't be replaced. His rebounding is overrated like Westbrook because they both sacrifice defense.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Love was on The Vertical podcast with Chris Mannix. Im not sure when it was taped, but it must have been in the last few days.

Here's what he had to say about our current situation:
-"Other teams have gotten better"
-"We will right the ship, we always have before, we will again"
-"January was bad too, we bounced back in Feb"
-"biggest problem is that it is like cramming for an exam, should have been studying and building better habits all season, but for multiple reasons it didn't happen that way, so we have to cram now"

On the offense: "We've been stopping the ball too much. We are a great PnR, spread the floor, move the ball side to side team...We just need to get back to what we do best"

On the defense(paraphrasing): "We DO have the "switch" to flip defensively. We WILL be good enough defensively when it matters, we will give the right effort when we need to"

Also:-Very complementary of Ty Lue. Gave him all the credit for how well he's played this year pre-injury.

On the injury: he is still is working on his timing on both ends, he is getting closer every day , feels 100% physically, still needs a little bit better wind and timing before he's at his best again.

 

[Rob933]

Love actually got up to contest a layup attempt and blocked a shot instead of positioning for a stat padding rebound while leaving the other guy wide open, that was nice to see and makes you wonder why doesn't he always do it? (lack of coaching and sense responsibly on defense probably)

He can't stay infront of a cone and even players like mirotic can easily blow by him, but at least he tried vs Chicago and I think most of those calls were bullshit to be fair, players like Donkey green never get those calls because they have a reputation of being a good defender but they do much much worse without getting any fouls called on them.

Love has the reputation of being a bad defender and refs call fouls on him everytime there's any contact because they're not used seeing him do stuff like contest or strip or slide ect

This is why you have to be aggressive on defense all year.

 

[LennoxLewis]

Love averaged 7 points against the warriors last year in the finals. You act like he can't be replaced. His rebounding is overrated like Westbrook because they both sacrifice defense.

I'll keep it simple.
2015 Finals: No Love, we lost in 6
2016 Finals:Yes Love, we won in 7

And yes I know Kyrie was out too, but the point is too many fans always look for a player to blame, that's who Love has been here.

Loves rebounding is no where near over rated, especially on a team where we already lack bigs.

 

[Rob933]

I'll keep it simple.
2015 Finals: No Love, we lost in 6
2016 Finals:Yes Love, we won in 7

And yes I know Kyrie was out too, but the point is too many fans always look for a player to blame, that's who Love has been here.

Loves rebounding is no where near over rated, especially on a team where we already lack bigs.

I believe he can be replaced. I would rather have a stretch 4 who can play defense and a real big man at center.

 

[LennoxLewis]

Sound like you want us to keep Love and somehow get Mozgov back, I'm down for that.

 

[dark2332]

Trading Love is the last thing the Cavs should ever think about, especially when the Cavs will get no where near equal return in the deal.

What makes you think they wouldn't get good value for him? He's in his twenties, was an All-Star this past season, and he's locked up under the old CBA.

 

[ACisKING]

Love was on The Vertical podcast with Chris Mannix. Im not sure when it was taped, but it must have been in the last few days.

Here's what he had to say about our current situation:
-"Other teams have gotten better"
-"We will right the ship, we always have before, we will again"
-"January was bad too, we bounced back in Feb"
-"biggest problem is that it is like cramming for an exam, should have been studying and building better habits all season, but for multiple reasons it didn't happen that way, so we have to cram now"

On the offense: "We've been stopping the ball too much. We are a great PnR, spread the floor, move the ball side to side team...We just need to get back to what we do best"

On the defense(paraphrasing): "We DO have the "switch" to flip defensively. We WILL be good enough defensively when it matters, we will give the right effort when we need to"

Also:-Very complementary of Ty Lue. Gave him all the credit for how well he's played this year pre-injury.

On the injury: he is still is working on his timing on both ends, he is getting closer every day , feels 100% physically, still needs a little bit better wind and timing before he's at his best again.

The fact that Love actually feels 100% healthy is basically the best news the Cavs have had in a while. We can chalk up his recent struggles to lack of conditioning and rhythm then. It's also interesting that he is so complimentary of Ty Lue given the subpar season the Cavs are having as a whole.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

I believe he can be replaced. I would rather have a stretch 4 who can play defense and a real big man at center.

How can you possibly replace 7ppg on 30% shooting?! impossible that's just too much production!

Would take a player like Ibaka over him any day of the week, plays defense can block shots and switch onto smaller players, oh yea and he can shoot 3's just as well. I'll take that for 3 less rebounds per game that he got because he didn't actually defend anyone on a possession and just camped near the rim.

Dude got carried in the finals despite being a huge determent to his team, that's how great LeBron and Kyrie were in that series, but saying Love is irreplaceable is just not true, we need players that can defend at a high level and shoot 3's to space the floor for Kyrie and Bron, and a real big man, and I'll trade Love for that in a heartbeat.

Kyrie and LeBron alone is enough offensive fire power to win a championship, you need to surround those two with great defenders that can also shoot 3's so they'll get out in transition, I don't think there's a better transition combo in the NBA than LeBron and Kyrie, unfortunately we don't get to see it much because our defense sucks right now

 

[Rob933]

The fact that Love actually feels 100% healthy is basically the best news the Cavs have had in a while. We can chalk up his recent struggles to lack of conditioning and rhythm then. It's also interesting that he is so complimentary of Ty Lue given the subpar season the Cavs are having as a whole.

You think he would trash his coach on a podcast.

 

[LennoxLewis]

What makes you think they wouldn't get good value for him? He's in his twenties, was an All-Star this past season, and he's locked up under the old CBA.

Off the top of my head, the KG and Allen deals to Boston. Boston got two great players nearing towards the end of their prime, but mainly gave up young players and picks.

Gasol to the Lakers, now we can say that the deal worked out for both teams, but at the time, that deal was no where near fair value.

CP3 to the Clippers, again Clippers got at the time the best PG in the league for Gordon who couldn't stay healthy, Aminu who still hadn't lived up to where he was picked, and Kaman.

The one thing those teams had the option of that the Cavs don't is rebuild. And for any team trading for Love, they are probably looking to add Love as a complimentary player instead of building around him.

I understand Loves contract and the status that he had as a player, and most of the examples I've listed I'd argue were better players than Love, but we are going to believe we would get fair value?

 

[Rob933]

How can you possibly replace 7ppg on 30% shooting?! impossible that's just too much production!

Would take a player like Ibaka over him any day of the week, plays defense can block shots and switch onto smaller players, oh yea and he can shoot 3's just as well. I'll take that for 3 less rebounds per game that he got because he didn't actually defend anyone on a possession and just camped near the rim.

Dude got carried in the finals despite being a huge determent to his team, that's how great LeBron and Kyrie were in that series, but saying Love is irreplaceable is just not true, we need players that can defend at a high level and shoot 3's to space the floor for Kyrie and Bron, and a real big man, and I'll trade Love for that in a heartbeat.

Kyrie and LeBron alone is enough offensive fire power to win a championship, you need to surround those two with great defenders that can also shoot 3's so they'll get out in transition, I don't think there's a better transition combo in the NBA than LeBron and Kyrie, unfortunately we don't get to see it much because our defense sucks right now

Yup, love is pretty useless against our western counterparts. I don't understand his support, when has love had a memorable game

 

[dark2332]

Off the top of my head, the KG and Allen deals to Boston. Boston got two great players nearing towards the end of their prime, but mainly gave up young players and picks.

Gasol to the Lakers, now we can say that the deal worked out for both teams, but at the time, that deal was no where near fair value.

CP3 to the Clippers, again Clippers got at the time the best PG in the league for Gordon who couldn't stay healthy, Aminu who still hadn't lived up to where he was picked, and Kaman.

The one thing those teams had the option of that the Cavs don't is rebuild. And for any team trading for Love, they are probably looking to add Love as a complimentary player instead of building around him.

I understand Loves contract and the status that he had as a player, and most of the examples I've listed I'd argue were better players than Love, but we are going to believe we would get fair value?

Yes, we will get good value out of him if we deal him. We don't HAVE to trade him. It's not like his contract is expiring. The KG and Allen deals were centered around teams looking to rebuild and chose the route to go young. They also were doing favors to their aging veterans.

CP3's contract situation was different than ours, and again, he was traded for youth. When youth doesn't pan out, in retrospect, we look bad and call a trade lopsided. In reality, it's only because it amounts to what you do with the picks.

Give me a goddam break, kid. I was trying to hold off on slapping a disagree on one of your posts until you could truly explain, but you're going further and further down the ranting idiot hole. The Gasol trade happened because someone was huffing paint thinner and, AGAIN, it was a team looking to rebuild.

You can't look at bad trades around the league's history that are irrelevant to our situation and forecast that we will get poor value from Kevin Love.

If that's the case, I can take you KG example, spin it around, and remind you that Boston took an even older KG and turned him into a King's ransom from the Nets. It's all about the teams, the GM's, and the players for each specific case.

When it comes to Love, any deal of him would be for established player(s) in the league based on our contention window.

 

[LennoxLewis]

Yes, we will get good value out of him if we deal him. We don't HAVE to trade him. It's not like his contract is expiring. The KG and Allen deals were centered around teams looking to rebuild and chose the route to go young. They also were doing favors to their aging veterans.

CP3's contract situation was different than ours, and again, he was traded for youth. When youth doesn't pan out, in retrospect, we look bad and call a trade lopsided. In reality, it's only because it amounts to what you do with the picks.

When it comes to Love, any deal of him would be for an established player(s) in the league based on our contention window.

Define established player, like a current all star? Because I'll gladly eat crow if the Cavs decide to move Love and get a established all star in his prime like Love is.

I understand the situation teams like the Celtics, Grizzlies and Hornets were in, and that's why I still mentioned them. Most of the time when players of their caliber get moved, it's to rebuild, it happened when we traded for Love, it kick started the Minny rebuild.

To expect that just because the Cavs are contending means we can get fair value in a deal seems way off. When was the last time a contending team traded an all star player and got an all star in return? Why would that team look to add Love and give up their best player to do it?

 

[dark2332]

When was the last time a contending team traded an all star player and got an all star in return? Why would that team look to add Love and give up their best player to do it?

It's unprecedented because contending teams don't trade all-stars who are good citizens. We'd be one of a rare few instances, but I don't know why you could expect we'd get taken to the cleaner's in a deal.