Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[Futuredome]

I think Beilein has very different methods than the previous staff to trying to get the young guys to play right. I didn't think the previous staff did an amazing job of developing Sexton and Cedi but they did get the Vets invested in their development. The Vets were leaned on to be teachers as much if not more than the coaching staff.

Now though the vets are just being ask to go out there and play with little purpose. They aren't teachers and they aren't good enough to contend. We aren't seeing Beilein incorporate plays that have worked well for the vets for years. This is where I think the friction between the team and certain players are coming from. I think we aren't seeing Beilein adjust enough to the NBA for the vets.

No it's overpaid players who have no respect for the game. Like any good artisan, you can't let their heads become bloated. Too much money financed by debt expansion has led to only caring about themselves. It builds a narcissism that is toxic. LeBron is this phenom taken to its end in respects with debt expansion. Allowing the 2008 financial crisis to reach its endgame without bailing it out, Kevin Love would have been a very different man right now.

 

[avs2000]

The solution to the problem is having Sexton or Garland come off the bench. Too bad Delly is just so bad,,but he at least plays like a point guard and can pass the ball. Love is fed up, he parked himself in the lane and had position on a smaller player and Garland just didn't recognize the mismatch and passed it to the wing,,,Love just stood in the lane and said the hell with it and took the 3 second call to prove a point,,,whether it sunk in or not is hard to know.
This team isn't even competitive anymore,,,its making it hard for even a die hard like myself to tune into the games. I hate to watch players that don't share the ball,,,maybe they are picking this crap up from Clarkson who knows...sorry for the rant.

I think an issue is you end up drafting 19 year olds who basically have nothing but aau expereirnce. I think you will see a difference in a player like windler
Not that he has more talent but he knows how to play the game

 

[Pioneer10]

The solution to the problem is having Sexton or Garland come off the bench. Too bad Delly is just so bad,,but he at least plays like a point guard and can pass the ball. Love is fed up, he parked himself in the lane and had position on a smaller player and Garland just didn't recognize the mismatch and passed it to the wing,,,Love just stood in the lane and said the hell with it and took the 3 second call to prove a point,,,whether it sunk in or not is hard to know.
This team isn't even competitive anymore,,,its making it hard for even a die hard like myself to tune into the games. I hate to watch players that don't share the ball,,,maybe they are picking this crap up from Clarkson who knows...sorry for the rant.

totally with you: looking back they should have had Garland come off the bench to start. That would have given him the advantages you described but without having the confidence issues of being taken out of the starting rotation

 

[LeeBuckeye]

Cavs roster issues randomly reminded me of a riddle in which a man wants to cross a river with one lamb, one lion and a bundle of grass but can only take one at a time on a small boat. Kind of feels like that with a new coach trying to build for the future, appease vets/guys on a contract year while simultaneously trying to create a culture. Only answer here unlike the riddle, is to offload guys like Kevin and slowly draft guys that fit the identity of the culture you're trying to build.

It's crazy that a guy like Kevin Love who went through a lot of turmoil while contending (toughness questioned, body breaking down, defensive deficiencies) then rewarded a contract he doesn't deserve is putting the blame on youngsters and the coach while working to get traded behind the scene. Seems like a self-serving fraud if i'm being honest. Why did he even bother signing the contract?!?!

If he wanted to, he could take 15+ shots but just coasts then quits after one bad guard play or a bad stretch? The irony of it all is that his attitude and poor play will almost certainly guarantee he isn't traded short of the team adding an asset just to offload him.

 

[Cavatt]

The schedule has just been brutal. It would have been nice to have a couple of teams under .500 to play. It is an underrated aspect of the East that all of the good teams play defense. It just means that the offense gets blown up by good teams, and the young players turn it over while being unable to stop the powerhouses on the other end.

Really being in the Orlando game, Brooklyn, and taking Philly to the wire that first time were all good things. They even beat the Pacers, but they have been unable to generate any momentum due to playing Milwaukee 2x, Philly 3x already!, Miami 2x, etc etc.

How cna guys trust the system at all when it seems like it isn't working. I mean yeah, they aren't really executing because they have played more than 25% of their games against contenders at least for the East in Philly, Pacers, Miami, Milwaukee, and the West team they have played twice is breaking offensive rating records with a guy who just broke Michael Jordan's record. Lol.

I mean, which game did they lose they should have won? The one where there was a blown Goaltending call creating a 5 point swing in close game in the last minute against Orlando? The one against Brooklyn where they just fucked up at last minute, or the one where they fucked up against Philly at last minute? Maybe they should have won the one without Love in NYC where the Knicks were dying for a win and just so badly wanted to beat somebody where Cedi had to guard Julius Randle? Any of those wins would have been nice, but a combination of bad luck and inexperience meant they couldn't close. It's not just the kids either, Nance had 2 crucial turnovers wasted possesssions at the end of the Brookly game, and lost Aaron Gordon with Orlando. Kevin missed the wide open 3 against Philly.

The schedule shouldn't be underestimated, and guys on the board have been saying wins were really going to be hard during this stretch months ago. The odds of them getting better right now were pretty low and we need to keep perspective. Look at Atlanta and the Pelicans as well. They both expected like us after 10 games to be fun and competitive and maybe win close to 30 games. Well, the schedulers have decided those 2 teams along with us would have the hardest schedule in the NBA the first quarter of the season, in a season where I think teams as a whole are better than ever. Maybe not everyone is the Warriors, but there are a ton of really solid playoff teams right now, and even the east has 2 more amazing teams in Boston and Miami than they did last year. They want all the marquee matchups after football season, so they are beatijng the shit out of the bottom dwelling teams right now, and strangely all these young teams aren't coping that well with it when they can't get a break.

Kevin Love needs to think about that, instead of ripping on these kids when they get beat badly by the tallest team in the league on the 2nd night of a back to back during a brutal schedule that they have never experienced before. You are supposed to be leading these guys through this stretch. Look at Tristan if you need inspiration.

 

[Green Lantern]

wade was right.

Some of that sounded like...LEBRON...

 

[inliner311]

The schedule has just been brutal. It would have been nice to have a couple of teams under .500 to play. It is an underrated aspect of the East that all of the good teams play defense. It just means that the offense gets blown up by good teams, and the young players turn it over while being unable to stop the powerhouses on the other end.

Really being in the Orlando game, Brooklyn, and taking Philly to the wire that first time were all good things. They even beat the Pacers, but they have been unable to generate any momentum due to playing Milwaukee 2x, Philly 3x already!, Miami 2x, etc etc.

How cna guys trust the system at all when it seems like it isn't working. I mean yeah, they aren't really executing because they have played more than 25% of their games against contenders at least for the East in Philly, Pacers, Miami, Milwaukee, and the West team they have played twice is breaking offensive rating records with a guy who just broke Michael Jordan's record. Lol.

I mean, which game did they lose they should have won? The one where there was a blown Goaltending call creating a 5 point swing in close game in the last minute against Orlando? The one against Brooklyn where they just fucked up at last minute, or the one where they fucked up against Philly at last minute? Maybe they should have won the one without Love in NYC where the Knicks were dying for a win and just so badly wanted to beat somebody where Cedi had to guard Julius Randle? Any of those wins would have been nice, but a combination of bad luck and inexperience meant they couldn't close. It's not just the kids either, Nance had 2 crucial turnovers wasted possesssions at the end of the Brookly game, and lost Aaron Gordon with Orlando. Kevin missed the wide open 3 against Philly.

The schedule shouldn't be underestimated, and guys on the board have been saying wins were really going to be hard during this stretch months ago. The odds of them getting better right now were pretty low and we need to keep perspective. Look at Atlanta and the Pelicans as well. They both expected like us after 10 games to be fun and competitive and maybe win close to 30 games. Well, the schedulers have decided those 2 teams along with us would have the hardest schedule in the NBA the first quarter of the season, in a season where I think teams as a whole are better than ever. Maybe not everyone is the Warriors, but there are a ton of really solid playoff teams right now, and even the east has 2 more amazing teams in Boston and Miami than they did last year. They want all the marquee matchups after football season, so they are beatijng the shit out of the bottom dwelling teams right now, and strangely all these young teams aren't coping that well with it when they can't get a break.

Kevin Love needs to think about that, instead of ripping on these kids when they get beat badly by the tallest team in the league on the 2nd night of a back to back during a brutal schedule that they have never experienced before. You are supposed to be leading these guys through this stretch. Look at Tristan if you need inspiration.

I could see the vets getting mad that we get blown out worse each time we play the same team. There are such little adjustments that teams are exploiting the same things and that Philly blowout after playing them 3 times didn't help anything. Add to that Beilein is making them do longer film sessions focus on getting their fundamentals right. Would Beilein do the same thing in college where he wouldn't make any adjustments to the game planning night in night out? It might be the fact that Beilein is asking them to make adjustments while not making adjustments himself.

 

[Cavatt]

I could see the vets getting mad that we get blown out worse each time we play the same team. There are such little adjustments that teams are exploiting the same things and that Philly blowout after playing them 3 times didn't help anything. Add to that Beilein is making them do longer film sessions focus on getting their fundamentals right. Would Beilein do the same thing in college where he wouldn't make any adjustments to the game planning night in night out? It might be the fact that Beilein is asking them to make adjustments while not making adjustments himself.

Yeah I can see that. Teams are scouting us and we aren't doing it back. If that were true, I feel like the assistants would speak up?

How do you make adjustments when the team won't play how they are supposed to in the first place. This is not our 2016 team that played 4 very different playoff series and adjusted their defense and offense on the fly.

It's a great question, but also I have rarely seen this kind of schedule where we get all of our games against several opponents out of the way so early.

 

[inliner311]

Yeah I can see that. Teams are scouting us and we aren't doing it back. If that were true, I feel like the assistants would speak up?

How do you make adjustments when the team won't play how they are supposed to in the first place. This is not our 2016 team that played 4 very different playoff series and adjusted their defense and offense on the fly.

It's a great question, but also I have rarely seen this kind of schedule where we get all of our games against several opponents out of the way so early.

I think Beilein should start by adding some different lineups and switching up the timing of rotations. I think the teams the Cavs have the most trouble with are the ones with length. They know they can exploit the Garland/Sexton backcourt and Beilein will play that backcourt 25+ minutes a game.

We have only seen Beilein change up the rotation in a major way once, when he started the 2nd unit at the start of the 2nd half and that got Sexton/Garland a chance to play against a smaller backcourt.

At some point Beilein has to realize that throwing a wing in at SG can help against long teams. Cedi and KPJ can get some experience being an on ball defender against someone like Ben Simmons, which Garland nor Sexton will ever be able to defend.

 

[saymac]

Trade Kevin Love To Denver For an established player and BOL BOL and a draft choice

 

[NMCav]

Trade Kevin Love To Denver For an established player and BOL BOL and a draft choice

Really easy to say no to Bol Bol. He will never have the frame for the NBA. Hes tall but can't put weight on. Not sure why hes even hyped. Dude would get bullied and abused by any NBA Big, And most NBA SF's and shit I am sure even some Shooting Guards could bully him in the post.

 

[saymac]

ONE People Would Come to see him play And He is doing good in the G league You have nothing to lose and you might come out a winner

 

[FrontPageNews]

Love for Gordon Hayward might work. We really need a vet wing player with the potential to be the top guy. We could take a risk on his injury and would probably be the only team willing to pay him. We gotta take a risk. Boston really needs an all star level big who can rebound and shoot.

 

[Cavatt]

Love for Gordon Hayward might work. We really need a vet wing player with the potential to be the top guy. We could take a risk on his injury and would probably be the only team willing to pay him. We gotta take a risk. Boston really needs an all star level big who can rebound and shoot.

This isn't that crazy. I don't like him tho

The Chasedown Cavs podcast suggested Saric, Tyler Johnson, and Mikal Bridges to the suns for Love. I don't hate that either, but I can understand why people might not like it. I was high on Bridges during Collin's draft.

 

[FrontPageNews]

Trade Kevin Love To Denver For an established player and BOL BOL and a draft choice

we aren’t getting an established player from them. They want to win now. Bol Bol isn’t enough but MPJ and Bol Bol would tickle my fancy. Have to make salaries match somehow do millsap would probably have to be involved and going to a 3rd team.