Kevin Love - Miami Ground Machine

[bigfoot5415]

If we're not actually getting anything back, I'm not trading Love.

And no, cap space isn't worth it. We'll already have cap space even with Love on the payroll.

Giving up an asset to acquire cap space just so you can take on a bad contract later on to acquire an asset is all we'd end up doing. It's an endless loop of madness.

Id exhaust all of the other expiring contracts before trading Love.

 

[Randolphkeys]

If we're not actually getting anything back, I'm not trading Love.

And no, cap space isn't worth it. We'll already have cap space even with Love on the payroll.

Giving up an asset to acquire cap space just so you can take on a bad contract later on to acquire an asset is all we'd end up doing. It's an endless loop of madness.

Yep, I believe there are a number of posters around here who have survived multiple rebuilds. They remember what it's like when the team has youth but limited talent in their prime. In the stretch from 2010 to LeBron's return, the only free agent of any significance was CJ Miles, who was on a mission to get as many minutes and hard numbers as possible to cash in after his Cavs contract expired. Even when the Cavs had LeBron under contract from 2015 through 2018, they couldn't attract any quality free agents on deals longer than one season. Cap space has never been used to attract free agents. It has been used to either acquire draft assets, retain talent that a really wants to be here, or trying to engrain established talent into the franchise through trade like they did with Ricky Davis or Larry Nance Jr.

This is the reality. Cleveland is a very cold and icy city in the winter, it's not a big city like Chicago, and basketball is a winter calendar sport. There will always be a certain level of overpay for the Cavs. In light of this, the Thompson and Love contracts cannot be examined without context. Anyone agreeing to sign long-term in Cleveland is going to be getting their back scratched too.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

Even when the Cavs had LeBron under contract from 2015 through 2018, they couldn't attract any quality free agents on deals longer than one season.

I mean that's all we could do given our cap situation...RJ, Rose and Wade were as probably as good as it was going to get for the vet minimum.

 

[Rich]

I guess the only big issue is: Does Love go back to being a locker room cancer if he isn't traded?

You go ahead and take that risk at this point, before actually giving away an asset to trade him

If he's a cancer ,then you think about what to do in the summer and take the lumps the rest of the way this season.

 

[Randolphkeys]

I mean that's all we could do given our cap situation...RJ, Rose and Wade were as probably as good as it was going to get for the vet minimum.

Let's be fair, while those guys agreed to sign with one year contracts - and even RJ signed on to stay longer after it expired - there were discussions around trades to get LeBron some help using the Brendan Haywood expiring in 2016. Paul George and the year left on his deal comes immediately to mind. However, nobody of significance wanted to be traded to the Cavs and negotiate a longer deal.

They traded for the Haywood contract specifically to attract a core piece, not to expire.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I guess the only big issue is: Does Love go back to being a locker room cancer if he isn't traded?

You go ahead and take that risk at this point, before actually giving away an asset to trade him

If he's a cancer ,then you think about what to do in the summer and take the lumps the rest of the way this season.

I don't think we can answer this, unfortunately. Kevin just isn't consistent about what he wants from a team and what he wants with himself professionally. He's frustrated with the losing, clearly, but the way he handles himself can be detrimental to the team. This isn't just quiet pouting and moping, Kevin has shown active and disgraceful actions on the court that I wouldn't want young players around.

I think we were all hoping that a healthy Kevin Love is a good basketball player still. Unfortunately, with his contract, his physical shape and his lack of consistency, I don't think we should expect much at all.

He's basically Antwan Jamison at this point. We'd be lucky to get as much as the Cavs got for him at this point too. But no way am I letting him sit on the roster with these young players a moment later than the deadline. AND if they cannot find a deal, it might be time to discuss a buyout.

 

[Rich]

I don't think we can answer this, unfortunately. Kevin just isn't consistent about what he wants from a team and what he wants with himself professionally. He's frustrated with the losing, clearly, but the way he handles himself can be detrimental to the team. This isn't just quiet pouting and moping, Kevin has shown active and disgraceful actions on the court that I wouldn't want young players around.

I think we were all hoping that a healthy Kevin Love is a good basketball player still. Unfortunately, with his contract, his physical shape and his lack of consistency, I don't think we should expect much at all.

He's basically Antwan Jamison at this point. We'd be lucky to get as much as the Cavs got for him at this point too. But no way am I letting him sit on the roster with these young players a moment later than the deadline. AND if they cannot find a deal, it might be time to discuss a buyout.

I mean they can discuss it but..the numbers would be almost impossible to make work for either side.

If he's willing to keep up the act the rest of the season, he's fine. He's still a good player.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

I mean they can discuss it but..the numbers would be almost impossible to make work for either side.

If he's willing to keep up the act the rest of the season, he's fine. He's still a good player.

I'm, at best, skeptical.

The guy has gone from being the good soldier to toxic during the course of a game, let alone a season. You're telling me he's going to put up with this for another 4 months?

Just so we are clear, if they have to JR Smith him out of Cleveland, then all his value is totally gone. I'd rather get back pennies on the dollar than have his contract stuck here for multiple years with literally nothing to show of it.

 

[Randolphkeys]

He's basically Antwan Jamison at this point. We'd be lucky to get as much as the Cavs got for him at this point too. But no way am I letting him sit on the roster with these young players a moment later than the deadline. AND if they cannot find a deal, it might be time to discuss a buyout.

I just took a look at the advanced statistics from the 2010-2011 season. I see an impact from Love that is closer to Varejao than Jamison. Maybe the rougher moments of Jamison's final season have faded gracefully away for you.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I don't think we can answer this, unfortunately. Kevin just isn't consistent about what he wants from a team and what he wants with himself professionally. He's frustrated with the losing, clearly, but the way he handles himself can be detrimental to the team. This isn't just quiet pouting and moping, Kevin has shown active and disgraceful actions on the court that I wouldn't want young players around.

I think we were all hoping that a healthy Kevin Love is a good basketball player still. Unfortunately, with his contract, his physical shape and his lack of consistency, I don't think we should expect much at all.

He's basically Antwan Jamison at this point. We'd be lucky to get as much as the Cavs got for him at this point too. But no way am I letting him sit on the roster with these young players a moment later than the deadline. AND if they cannot find a deal, it might be time to discuss a buyout.

Seems like you are being a bit over dramatic here,,he signed the contract he knew what he was getting into so I'm not trading him unless I can at least get a first rounder or a young asset (Mikal Bridges type),,he will be easier to trade next year. I mean we have to have some bigs for next year with Thompson and Zizic leaving. All we have is Nance Jr. Unless we want to go out and sign the Dragan Benders of the world we are going to have to draft and develop a few bigs and that takes time. Also no way is anyone discussing a buyout with 3 years and 90 million left,,I mean why would he take less when he's guaranteed 90 million. Talking about a buyout now is just nonsense.

 

[Rich]

Jamison was actually physically done as a player. He went to LA the next season and blew chunks there too. He was just old and broken.

 

[Nphan]

I mean that's all we could do given our cap situation...RJ, Rose and Wade were as probably as good as it was going to get for the vet minimum.

That's why I'm surprised that the Cavaliers does not have the best international scout team in the NBA. They have to build through the draft and draft globally. Cleveland is not a city where players will sign with unless we have a star like LeBron or we build through the draft. Draft international players and build through the draft is the only option at this point.

 

[MrX]

Jamison was 4 years older and a shell of his former self.

Love has been shooting it well. 400 plus players in the NBA and Kevin Love is #30 in true shooting percentage at 60.0%. Just for fun. LeBron is #58 at 57.5% and Kyrie is #59 at 57.3%

I don't see the Jamison comparison.

 

[Lee]

Yep, I believe there are a number of posters around here who have survived multiple rebuilds. They remember what it's like when the team has youth but limited talent in their prime. In the stretch from 2010 to LeBron's return, the only free agent of any significance was CJ Miles, who was on a mission to get as many minutes and hard numbers as possible to cash in after his Cavs contract expired. Even when the Cavs had LeBron under contract from 2015 through 2018, they couldn't attract any quality free agents on deals longer than one season. Cap space has never been used to attract free agents. It has been used to either acquire draft assets, retain talent that a really wants to be here, or trying to engrain established talent into the franchise through trade like they did with Ricky Davis or Larry Nance Jr.

This is the reality. Cleveland is a very cold and icy city in the winter, it's not a big city like Chicago, and basketball is a winter calendar sport. There will always be a certain level of overpay for the Cavs. In light of this, the Thompson and Love contracts cannot be examined without context. Anyone agreeing to sign long-term in Cleveland is going to be getting their back scratched too.

Roughest period for me was late 90's

I was living in Indiana, limited coverage and the internet was not quite ready to dominate sports yet. Kemp excitement had subsided as he became the stay puff marshmallow man. I wasn't in the home market, hard to catch games, hard to get info, and I really didn't care.

I am not saying its easy to follow the cavs now, they play horrible basketball, but the info is out there if I want to torture myself.

 

[Jontibs]

I think we saw last night why he has been held out of most back to backs. Forget the shooting, he looked stiff and clumsy in his movement, no sharpness and bounce at all. Old even.