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Michael Redd?

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"MVP" said:
Miller doesn't suck, but he isn't a top 15 SG in this league. His defense is just too bad. I would hate to have him.
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Very true, he's the definition of a lateral move for the Cavs, his production is pretty much the same as Delontes.
 
Da_James_Gang said:
You just said Miller sucks?...okay :rolleyes:
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well he really isn't all that impressive IMO...he likes to shoot,isn't all that tough and idk...i just rather a player like VC who we can depend on,you know.....
 
Didn't we offer him a contract when he was a free agent like two years ago? He had his chance with the Cavs IMO.
 
We just need to rescue Mike Redd from Milwaukee.
 
Im 100% not interested in Mike Redd anymore.

Redd and Williams in the backcourt means that Z becomes the new foul plagued Andrew Bogut. Not only that, but I didnt see Redd score off the ball... almost at all last night.

The only time he scored was when he was being force fed and that wont happen in this offense.

His ship sailed
 
Right...ya wanna totally judge him on the first game hes played in weeks and he still aint 100% yet?

All things considering I thought Mike Redd was great off the bench last night.

There is that idea that Mo and Redd didnt exactly win championships with that backourt in Milwaukee, and obviously it WOULD be better here because of playing with LeBron on a defensive minded championship team. But I admit there still might be a bit of on-court friction between Mo and Redd's game.

Defenisvely he used to be great, and I wouldnt call him a bad defender just because hes been playing on the worst defensive team in the league for years. Im not sayin hed be Gerald Wallace on this team but dont think hed be a hinderance on D at all.

And offensively you wont find a better fit outta those guys than Mike Redd. Amazing shooter who CAN play off the ball very well. Youd only need to watch what he did with the USA team to know that.

Now I would still rather have Gerald Wallace for the simple fact that playing against LA or Boston, he WILL be able to shut down Paul Pierce or Ray Allen, and at least slow down Kobe a little bit.

But Redd will provide a bit of size in the backourt defensively, and it wont be any worse than it is nnow, and alot more variety offensively.
 
Redd played off the the ball in the olympics. He's just fine at spot up shooting. He can drain shots like its nothing. I say we give him a chance. His defense is considered poor because he played on a horrible team that didnt preach defense. If mike brown can get Wally to play somewhat decent defense like he did in last years playoffs, then Im pretty confident that redd wouldn't be bad here in Cleveland. The guy can flat out play. Give him a chance
 
himynameisjo$h said:
Redd played off the the ball in the olympics. He's just fine at spot up shooting. He can drain shots like its nothing. I say we give him a chance. His defense is considered poor because he played on a horrible team that didnt preach defense. If mike brown can get Wally to play somewhat decent defense like he did in last years playoffs, then Im pretty confident that redd wouldn't be bad here in Cleveland. The guy can flat out play. Give him a chance
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thank you...i mean think about it,his game is about shooting 3s whether its spot up or off the dribble so he can definitely fit...but i heard he just dont have feet control???
 
I think Carter is a better fit than Redd personally. He is only 2 years older, but 10 times more athletic. Redd is more injured than carter. Carter is a better rebounder, and shares the ball better. Carter shoots better from both from 3 point land and 2 point land than Redd. Carter gets you more steals and averages a block a game vs zero blocks a game for Redd. Only advantage Redd has is that he is 2 years younger (no big deal with his injury history though) and he shoots better from the free throw line. Other than that, vince is the better player....really a now brainer to me.
 
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Vince is a better player, and is still more athletic. But hes DEFINITELY not a better shooter from anywhere outside the paint than Redd. Stats dont tell you everythin man. If only stats mattered then youd sa Damon Jones was a better shooter than Ray Allen sometimes.

Guys like Ray and Redd are different to other shooters. The 3 is like a layup for them, so they shoot them off curls, off the dribble and in people's faces. Carter dont just shoot open jumpers either but to say hes a better shooter than Redd is mutha****in crazy.

The advantages of Vince is that hes a more versatile player meaning he'll get you more rebounds and assists, and will attack the rim more and is capable of playing great defense someimes.

But the advantages of Redd are that even though he has the ball alot, he plays very well of the ball and as a spot up shooter hes better than anyone. That means he wouldnt disrupt the chemistry as much as Vince who would need the ball alot moer to be effective. Plus you gotta give him props for bein from Ohio.

But again, either would be amazing. Redd and Carter are MUCH better scorers than the rest of the guys bein discussed, either can put up 40 or 50 on any night and have been doing so for years. I dont care who we get as long as its someone like that.
 
Lee3370 said:
I think Carter is a better fit than Redd personally. He is only 2 years older, but 10 times more athletic. Redd is more injured than carter. Carter is a better rebounder, and shares the ball better. Carter shoots better from both from 3 point land and 2 point land than Redd. Carter gets you more steals and averages a block a game vs zero blocks a game for Redd. Only advantage Redd has is that he is 2 years younger (no big deal with his injury history though) and he shoots better from the free throw line. Other than that, vince is the better player....really a now brainer to me.
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You also have to consider his contract, and the fact that he quits trying on occasion and fakes injuries...which earns him his Nickname "wince". I dont want someone that would take a play or two off or fake an injury to make it look like he wasnt playing bad defense. I definitely wouldnt mind having him of course, because he definitely would help us. But if i had a choice between him and redd i would definitely choose redd. But again, thats just my opinion
 
I really don't like either Redd or Carter for this team. They both need the ball to be effective, and neither is the dominant defensive stopper we are sorely lacking.

Let's look at the primary perimeter scores on the teams we are most likely to have to go through during the playoffs:

Pistons - Allen Iverson 6'0" / TaShaun Prince 6'9"
Celtics - Paul Pierce 6'7"
Orlando - Hedo Turkoglu 6'10"
Atlanta - Joe Johnson 6'7"
Lakers - Kobe Bryant 6'6"
Houston - Tracy McGrady 6'8"

With the exception of Iverson, these are all oversize 2s and 3s. VC or Michael Redd are greatly outsized, and cannot match up against any of these players, forcing us to use LeBron as a primary defensive stopper, which, even given the offensive capabilities of VC/Redd will limit the much greater possible offensive contributions of LBJ.

That's why I'd like to grab Gerald Wallace to play 2/3 alongside LeBron. Although we might have an issue against smaller 2s during the regular season (which we really don't have to worry about), those players don't exist among the teams we are likely to encounter during the playoffs. Gerald Wallace, with the ability to guard 2/4 can guard everybody on this list besides Iverson (who Mo Williams will be matched up against anyway).

Wallace isn't going to provide the offensive spark of VC/Redd, but he's certainly another threat. But with his amazing athletic ability, defensive willingness, and almost a year of Mike Brown coaching, he can be the piece we need to shut down our opponents #1 and allow LBJ to concentrate on the offensive end.

~Lyuokdea
 
I'm more worried about Hamilton then I am TaShaun when it comes to detroit.
 
Mikes just the best fit overall. Id love Gerald Wallace's defense but Im not sure I see Ferry taking the risk given his outside shooting and injury history.
 
Lee3370 said:
I think Carter is a better fit than Redd personally. He is only 2 years older, but 10 times more athletic. Redd is more injured than carter. Carter is a better rebounder, and shares the ball better. Carter shoots better from both from 3 point land and 2 point land than Redd. Carter gets you more steals and averages a block a game vs zero blocks a game for Redd. Only advantage Redd has is that he is 2 years younger (no big deal with his injury history though) and he shoots better from the free throw line. Other than that, vince is the better player....really a now brainer to me.
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im not even going to front,carter is better...when i say i want a SG,i want someone who can shoot and is tough enough to slash...some who we can depend on to put out there with mo when lebron is resting...and vc fits the description and i will still take him and his 3yr contract
 
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