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He has been bad... the one time I saw him play, his demeanor was bad as well. I don't believe he will ever be anything but a flop...
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He has been bad... the one time I saw him play, his demeanor was bad as well. I don't believe he will ever be anything but a flop...
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I'm willing to bet you're right.
When we talk about a future utility player role, I'm not really writing anyone off.
I still have Clement and Miller as the two frontrunners to hold down that position--but any prospect that isn't good enough to win the starting MIF gig, and doesn't have enough trade value to bring anything back in a deal, has a shot to compete with them.
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Fermin is the guy I would think is the next in line for the utility spot if I would choose someone. (Tolman hasn't been bad either. Fry could get an utility spot since he can play catcher). Plus we have so many MIF prospects and we bring in more every year. If Bracho struggles at A ball, he has no hope of even staying in the picture.
Remember seeing (but can't find) that FG was going to update their listing this week. Don't know if it is fully done but wanted to point out that Naylor is now our #3 prospect (at 51 overall) and thus #7 catcher right behind Herrera.
EDIT -- Nohing has changed since the post last Sat (Sorry ... just found the post)
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Thus, I think all this talk about trying to trade for another top 50 prospect/catcher or Murphy to come in over him is getting a little outdated. I prefer if Lava at #9 show some of his bat from last year this year but with Maile and Hedgie ... is it really an issue internally?
The new draftees are now in the rankings
DeLauter #11
Messick #15
Cambell #19
Lampe #34
Santos #45
Furman #46
Zibin #53 (will move up quickly with $1.2 bonus)
Other big movers -- Allen Jr up #5 ... Arias down to #16 but probably not still updated all the way as Nikhazy is at #35 below Mace #28 and Cantillo at #44
EDIT -- Nohing has changed since the post last Sat (Sorry ... just found the post)
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Thus, I think all this talk about trying to trade for another top 50 prospect/catcher or Murphy to come in over him is getting a little outdated. I prefer if Lava at #9 show some of his bat from last year this year but with Maile and Hedgie ... is it really an issue internally?
The new draftees are now in the rankings
DeLauter #11
Messick #15
Cambell #19
Lampe #34
Santos #45
Furman #46
Zibin #53 (will move up quickly with $1.2 bonus)
Other big movers -- Allen Jr up #5 ... Arias down to #16 but probably not still updated all the way as Nikhazy is at #35 below Mace #28 and Cantillo at #44
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That makes zero sense to me whatsoever.
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Let's you know what prospect ratings lists are worth..
I agree.
I can understand that up until this season Benson and Brennan might not have made the list, but after what they've done so far this season...with supporting peripherals....
Even at the worst they couldn't just have been thrown is as #56 and #57?
Sorry guys, I should have deleted the posted but did the edit that nothing changed since last Sat (post saying that more changes were coming this week). But, filled in the changes to date. Still nothing that seems final.. so I am sure there are other movers like Cantillo and Nikhazy up the chain ...
I like Longenhagen but I think he is over his head over there by himself now at FG. He even admitted a while back he is going to need to change the way he does his work to bring content out more efficiently which ultimately means the quality will start going down. FG was at their best with both him and McDaniel running the show. Goldstein was a great addition too.
I know all these prospect guys are real scouts, but it sure seems like most of their business is based on the contacts they have, not actual scouting. I’m not super concerned with what any of them have to say as long as Bimbo is feeding us first hand knowledge.
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Keith Law just released his updated, mid-season top 60 prospects list:
20. George Valera, OF, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 29
Valera continues to show power and patience as a 21-year-old in Double A, while even improving his results against left-handed pitching (in a small sample). He still has projection left, with a swing that will let him get to 30-homer power at his peak, and he plays solid-average defense in right field. With his patience, he should end up a middle-of-the-order bat once he finishes filling out.
21. Brayan Rocchio, SS, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 22
Rocchio is another member of the slow-start club this year, but has returned to form recently, once again making a ton of contact while hitting for power and playing strong defense at short. He’s a switch-hitter and above-average runner, although once again, he’s been below par as a base stealer (9 for 15 this year). Even with the disappointing first two months, he’s still at .269/.357/.442 as a 21-year-old in Double A, and likely to improve on that before the year is out.
24. Daniel Espino, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 51
Espino would be higher on the list if he hadn’t spent almost this whole year on the IL with patellar tendinitis in his left knee, making just four starts in April. When he pitched, he looked like a future No. 1 starter, working in the upper 90s with a slider that would show plus, although his changeup still lags behind. He also walked just four batters in those four starts and was throwing more strikes in general, although it’s too small a sample to draw a conclusion yet. We just need to see him pitching again, and to know this knee injury isn’t a long-term concern.
37. Gavin Williams, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: Unranked
Williams was the 23rd pick in 2021, but has exploded since then, striking out 40 percent of batters in High A. He has a fastball he runs up to 98 mph that misses bats and a four-pitch mix that should leave him with at least one plus secondary pitch, with the changeup the laggard right now. He’s been durable so far in pro ball, with a short arm action he repeats well, although his strike-throwing has taken a hit after a recent promotion to Double A. He’s definitely a starter if he stays healthy, at least a mid-rotation guy, but could end up a No. 1 depending on how good his offspeed stuff gets.
48. Tanner Bibee, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: Unranked
The Guardians’ fifth-round pick from 2021, has added at least 7 mph to his fastball in the last 12 months, now hitting 99 mph regularly without any loss of the command or control that made him a prospect in college despite just fringy velocity. He’s walked under 5 percent of batters this year, even with a recent promotion to Double A, and is showing a plus changeup. I think the Guardians should keep drafting California college pitchers with good command and last names that start with B.
20. George Valera, OF, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 29
Valera continues to show power and patience as a 21-year-old in Double A, while even improving his results against left-handed pitching (in a small sample). He still has projection left, with a swing that will let him get to 30-homer power at his peak, and he plays solid-average defense in right field. With his patience, he should end up a middle-of-the-order bat once he finishes filling out.
21. Brayan Rocchio, SS, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 22
Rocchio is another member of the slow-start club this year, but has returned to form recently, once again making a ton of contact while hitting for power and playing strong defense at short. He’s a switch-hitter and above-average runner, although once again, he’s been below par as a base stealer (9 for 15 this year). Even with the disappointing first two months, he’s still at .269/.357/.442 as a 21-year-old in Double A, and likely to improve on that before the year is out.
24. Daniel Espino, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: No. 51
Espino would be higher on the list if he hadn’t spent almost this whole year on the IL with patellar tendinitis in his left knee, making just four starts in April. When he pitched, he looked like a future No. 1 starter, working in the upper 90s with a slider that would show plus, although his changeup still lags behind. He also walked just four batters in those four starts and was throwing more strikes in general, although it’s too small a sample to draw a conclusion yet. We just need to see him pitching again, and to know this knee injury isn’t a long-term concern.
37. Gavin Williams, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: Unranked
Williams was the 23rd pick in 2021, but has exploded since then, striking out 40 percent of batters in High A. He has a fastball he runs up to 98 mph that misses bats and a four-pitch mix that should leave him with at least one plus secondary pitch, with the changeup the laggard right now. He’s been durable so far in pro ball, with a short arm action he repeats well, although his strike-throwing has taken a hit after a recent promotion to Double A. He’s definitely a starter if he stays healthy, at least a mid-rotation guy, but could end up a No. 1 depending on how good his offspeed stuff gets.
48. Tanner Bibee, RHP, Cleveland Guardians
Previous ranking: Unranked
The Guardians’ fifth-round pick from 2021, has added at least 7 mph to his fastball in the last 12 months, now hitting 99 mph regularly without any loss of the command or control that made him a prospect in college despite just fringy velocity. He’s walked under 5 percent of batters this year, even with a recent promotion to Double A, and is showing a plus changeup. I think the Guardians should keep drafting California college pitchers with good command and last names that start with B.
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Lol. That would be awesome. Cut to the Guardians draft war room.....
Alright guys, it's the 4th round who's your B?
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Four prospects in the top 50 and only one is a middle infielder. Nice. This Bibee guy sounds too good to be true; a guy throwing 99 with a plus changeup and a walk rate under 5%.
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FWIW, I believe we drafted a Kyle Blair from a Cali college a few years back and he flamed out quickly.
Edit. 12 years ago. Wowza, seems like it wasn't that long ago.